From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 4 15:35:27 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B267E106566B for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:35:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from svein-listmail@stillbilde.net) Received: from mail.stillbilde.net (unknown [IPv6:2002:51af:3dc3:0:20c:29ff:fece:79f3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291018FC0A for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2002:51af:3dc3:0:ec44:6bde:111:40bc] (unknown [IPv6:2002:51af:3dc3:0:ec44:6bde:111:40bc]) (Authenticated sender: svein) by mail.stillbilde.net (Familien Skogens mail) with ESMTPSA id 6022C22 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:35:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B6AE93C.5090803@stillbilde.net> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:35:24 +0100 From: "Svein Skogen (Listmail Account)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4B694A52.4080306@stillbilde.net> <4B69BD02.5060305@gmail.com> <4B69CCC8.2060105@stillbilde.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Backup and FreeBSD/ZFS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:35:27 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 04.02.2010 10:39, krad wrote: > If you combine snapshoting with a redundant array, and maybe a secondary > pool that you zfs send your files ystems to (perhaps on a different box) its > questionable whether having stuff on tape has any advantage. If you are > taking the tapes off site it may be worth it. On a monthly rotation the tapes are placed in a firetolerant safe. Since the most critical thing here is the terabyte (and growing!) of original photographs, I'm not thinking about just day-to-day diskfailure or pebcaks (proper raid and snapshotting handles that rather well). However snapshotting and raid solutions handles the house being on fire rather poorly, or should we say "Data integrity and fires, get along like a house on fire"? ;) And I think ... everyone on this list can agree that data not properly backed up, is a fancy way of saying data not yet lost. ;) This is why I'm willing to (and have already) cough up for such solutions as autoloaders for my home storage server, however my last wrestle with ZFS (on freebsd RELENG_7) left me rather less than enthusiastic about the backup options. Someone told me that Amanda should handle this, and I'm looking into it now (especially reading up on what I'd need to do to handle disaster recovery), but other options are welcome as well, including the option of going Solaris (if someone can point me to proper documentation on how to get Solaris to do what I want). The box itself is a C2D E7500 with 8GB ram, Asus P5Q Premium (the "deluxe" version with fewer NICs is on the BigAdmin HCL, basically an intel P45 chipset with sufficient number of pci-express slots, and four Marvell Yukon gigabit nics with Marvell Alaska PHY), backed by LSI SAS-MPT for the autoloader and SAS-MFI for the disks, and will handle SMB/CIFS, NFS, and iSCSI services (and the backups of that data). Nothing fancy here, meaning it should hardwarewise be no biggie to get it up and running in FreeBSD, Solaris (or leave it on Windows Storage server if that's the best solution, even if that means the iSCSI-target-service has ... less than stellar performance). So, I'm basically looking for pointers on what solutions to consider, not looking for a pre-cooked solution. I have sufficient external diskspace (still with redundancy) to handle the move-to-new-os-and-fs issue... 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