From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 26 14:59:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3167037B407; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:59:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from mindspring.com (dialup-209.245.135.64.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net [209.245.135.64]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17158; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B897169.79A29D82@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 15:00:09 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Reply-To: tlambert2@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Kargl Cc: Kaila , Mike Smith , Kris Kennaway , Jim Bryant , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why is csh tcsh? This can be a bad thing... References: <200108261958.f7QJwLr02345@mass.dis.org> <20010826134326.A29583@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Kargl wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 2001 at 02:57:31PM -0500, Kaila wrote: > > Naming linking it to csh broke things for people who weren't > > informed it was happeneing, and then had to go and spend hours > > tracking down the problem and fixing it. > > How could you be uninformed about this change? The csh vs. tcsh > bikeshed happen 16 months ago in the freebsd-current mailing list. > Speaking up 16 months later is an unusual way to let the developers > know you have an opinion on this change. The bikeshed was not cross-posted to -stable or -hackers, and someone did an "MFC" on the change, thus bypassing any discussion about getting the change into -stable? Or the natural progression of version changes pushed the change event into the next release, with no real notification, and no "csh is deprecated; used tcsh instead" message for one major release (i.e. there was no formal deprecation during which people could change their csh scripts)? -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message