From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 22:46:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BABF106566B for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:46:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@barragry.com) Received: from cork.barragry.com (cork.barragry.com [72.232.202.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4618FC1F for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:46:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@barragry.com) Received: by cork.barragry.com (Postfix, from userid 1006) id E01721D8012; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:46:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:46:22 -0500 From: Erik Osterholm To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20090602224622.GA88422@barragry.com> References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:46:23 -0000 On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:03:06AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> ... > >> Even at first post i wrote that i'm not FreeBSD owners and they will > >> decide. > > > > We're all human. The potential sponsors might have missed the line > > where you said that you were not an owner. > > this way - nobody should write anyone. there is always a line that missed > - completely changes a sense of sentence. I'm sure you know that this is an absurd proposition. > >> Do you really mean i have enough power to just dumb any sponsors > >> (potential, not "potential") by writing a post on public mailing > >> list? > > > > Any person might look at people in the community and decide that > > they don't want to be a part of that community after all. That's > > why it would be nice if everyone could be courteous and helpful. > > > > I'm not specifically referring to you, Mr. Puchar. I'm talking > > about the general case. > > You are right. But do you try to say that we should think about > consequences for potential sponsoring every word we say?! > > Is FreeBSD FREE SOFTWARE or commercial product that's selling some > way? > > If first - then we should not care how much more/less money people > will pay as a gift every time we post. > > If second - then please Owners declare it clearly and just add > statement about this. Isn't there a middle-ground? Where we can care about how we present ourselves, yet we do not feel beholden to the possible sponsors? A good example would be to always respond kindly and appropriately, yet not yield to demands made on us by others. > Anyway - Do users of any commercial product support list must think > if their words will lower the selling of the product? i don't think > so. They probably care less about the product. I personally want FreeBSD to succeed because it is, in many ways, superior to all of the alternatives. As such, I hope that when I discuss it, I present it in a good light. For example, if someone asks me, "How do you do in FreeBSD?", I rarely suggest that the go read the fine manual. > But if i'm not right - please add on FreeBSD webpage/mailing list > info > > "Every sentence that can potentially lower the income or core team > are punished with 10 lashes. Erik Osterholm will be the executor". More absurdity. Erik