From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 2 1: 2:49 2001 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 01:02:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1749C37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 01:02:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9719A6A911; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:32:41 +1030 (CST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:32:41 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Roman Shterenzon Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vinum malfunction! Message-ID: <20010102193241.C40453@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20001231101426.K99806@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010102092819.K44043@wantadilla.lemis.com> <978425185.3a519561dbcdb@webmail.harmonic.co.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <978425185.3a519561dbcdb@webmail.harmonic.co.il>; from roman@harmonic.co.il on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:46:25AM +0200 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] On Tuesday, 2 January 2001 at 10:46:25 +0200, Roman Shterenzon wrote: > Quoting Greg Lehey : > >>> I've submitted kern/22021 which was left untouched, it has all the >>> needed details. >> >> 1. You insisted on including the config file and dmesg, which >> just bloat the PR and make it more difficult to read. > > yes I did. sed(1) is your friend. OK, take sed(1) and a few other tools, and write a usable problem report. It's just plain impolite to expect people who are working for free to endure this kind of crap. In fact, even if you were paying them, it's still impolite. >> 2. The backtrace still does not include Vinum symbols, making it >> pretty useless. > > To the very least it's not true. > Please check again http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=22103 There's one there which is missing symbols. In a total of 30 printed pages of mainly irrelevant text, I might have missed something. >> 3. It includes (without comment) a mail exchange with Andy Newman, >> which have been twice mutilated, once before I received the >> message, once after. > > This is completely irrelevant. Precisely. Please don't include irrelevant information. >> Dealing with this kind of PR is an absolute pain. It's bloated, >> illegible, full of irrelevant information and lacking the information >> I need. It is, however, one of the few cases I've seen of a > > ..or any other reason that prevents you from working on it. Sorry, what are you trying to say? > vinum RAID-5 is dangerous, shouldn't be used in sensitive > environments, and it cost me much health. This kind of blanket statement detracts from anything useful you might have to say. Greg -- When replying to this message, please take care not to mutilate the original text. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/email.html Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message