From owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org Fri Jan 12 18:18:14 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21BDE74113 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:18:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mail.lariat.net (mail.lariat.net [66.62.230.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8178278430 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:18:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from Toshi.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16736; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:07:48 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <201801121807.LAA16736@mail.lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:07:06 -0700 To: Oliver Pinter , "Zahrir, Abderrahmane" From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Response to Meltdown and Spectre Cc: "freebsd-security@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:18:14 -0000 All: The fix in this patch appears to be unconditional. I do a lot of work with embedded Intel Atom processors, which do not implement speculative execution. (Only one of them even implements limited out-of-order execution.) These systems aren't terribly powerful by today's standards, and would suffer serious performance impacts should the fix be turned on unnecessarily. Will there be automatic detection of 32-bit Atoms (all of which are definitely not susceptible) and 64-bit Atoms (all of which, except for Avoton, are definitely not susceptible; Avoton might have some very limited exposure due to out-of-order execution, but may also not be vulnerable because the OOE is not speculative) to avoid unnecessary performance impacts? --Brett Glass At 05:14 AM 1/12/2018, Oliver Pinter wrote: >The test patch is here: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D13797