From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Sun Jan 1 21:07:54 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E21BC9BB47 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2017 21:07:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mmacy@nextbsd.org) Received: from sender-of-o52.zoho.com (sender-of-o52.zoho.com [135.84.80.217]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3FC61F77 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2017 21:07:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mmacy@nextbsd.org) Received: from mail.zoho.com by mx.zohomail.com with SMTP id 1483304864409177.03688672280657; Sun, 1 Jan 2017 13:07:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2017 13:07:44 -0800 From: Matthew Macy To: "abi" Cc: "" Message-ID: <1595bdc0a96.b508ef2f74041.1895406691949887756@nextbsd.org> In-Reply-To: <58696F74.2000703@abinet.ru> References: <20161230163653.54909631@rsbsd.rsb> <15952279f17.e0be0d8c34357.732964216134709731@nextbsd.org> <20161231120453.13adf858@thor.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20161231145143.18e6ac99@rsbsd.rsb> <20170101183653.2c85698a@rsbsd.rsb> <1595bce760d.c5a48b9473813.1749970069728099599@nextbsd.org> <58696F74.2000703@abinet.ru> Subject: Re: End of year Xorg status rant MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2017 21:07:54 -0000 ---- On Sun, 01 Jan 2017 13:05:58 -0800 abi wrote ---- > > On 01.01.2017 23:52, Matthew Macy wrote: > > Evangelists != money. If some data center operator tomorrow said that they'd buy 2000 pascal cards, but they had to be supported by FreeBSD, Nvidia would support would appear shortly thereafter. Unfortunately, that is not likely to happen. > > > It would be better if Nvidia drops support of FreeBSD. I remember we had > nouveau in 7.x (2010 ?) but nvidia driver killed it. And it continue to > haunt graphics subsystem, killing the enthusiasm to port amd or intel > drivers. BSDs without access to nvidia blob are ahead of us even if they > have much less manpower. Although it is nice to have a professionally supported driver, I frequently refer to the nvidia driver as a "trojan horse" because of the ensuing neglect of everything else. -M