From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 16 09:09:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA05159 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vital.bleeding.com (vital.bleeding.com [205.166.195.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05131 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crimson (crimson.bleeding.com [205.166.254.2]) by vital.bleeding.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA22273; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by crimson with Microsoft Mail id <01BC4A46.41CAB0E0@crimson>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:12:07 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC4A46.41CAB0E0@crimson> From: Justin Wolf To: "'osmanb@acm.org'" , "drew@sml.co.jp" Cc: "'cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com'" , Golan Klinger , "rsacrack@vex.net" , "hackers@freebsd.org" , "deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com" Subject: RE: First place. Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:12:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id JAA05138 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I didn't realize we had such conspiracy theorists out here. Why would anyone want to conduct industrial espionage with Apple anyway? They don't have anything anyone wants. -Justin -----Original Message----- From: Brian T. Osman [SMTP:osmanb@rpi.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 1997 5:21 AM To: drew@sml.co.jp Cc: Justin Wolf; 'cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com'; Golan Klinger; rsacrack@vex.net; hackers@freebsd.org; deschall@gatekeeper.megasoft.com Subject: Re: First place. drew@sml.co.jp wrote: > > Justin Wolf : > > You actually think that DES is too weak when it takes all the > >hackers in the known unix world to stage an attempt which has > >been so far unsuccessful? Hmm... different point of view I guess. > > You actually think that the US government doesn't have at least ten > times the computing power of everyone in this effort put together? > Hell, they've probably got that much computing power just in people's > desktop workstations. The fact is, 56-bit keys are useless when up > against the US Government. > > -- > Drew Hamilton -- drew@sml.co.jp -- http://www.drew-hamilton.net/ Not to mention large, international corporations. We have 2000 thousand computers! That is NOTHING! NOTHING! Think about the cmoputing power that Intel, Microsoft, IBM, Motorola, Apple, anyone could get together!!! They just don't want to right now, because it would only prove that they are in a position to conduct industrial espionage. Brian