From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jan 29 17:12:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04292 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:12:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA04283 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:12:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA17378; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:12:46 -0800 (PST) To: Amancio Hasty cc: Capriotti , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs US. :-)) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:04:19 PST." <199801300004.QAA04028@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:12:45 -0800 Message-ID: <17374.886122765@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hackers" And where's Java's curses based interface so that all those folks installing FreeBSD from serial consoles can still do so? And please don't tell me that: A) There aren't enough of those people to matter, because there are - most ISPs who really know what they're doing have rack- mounted their PCs long ago and do not have VGA monitors or mice attached at all. Once the machine is *installed*, sure, you can bring up a purely remote interface. It's getting it to that point which concerns me, especially given a wide selection of possible media (things like ppp installs require a fair bit of dialog with the user and you'd ideally like to share those dialog boxes with the overall networking setup interface). B) That we should do two interfaces, one for each group, because that requires too much duplication of effort. We can't even get people to write *one* admin interface much less two of them, and if you don't make the CUI folks a priority from the very beginning then they're going to get dropped out of convenience because that's just too easy a thing to do. That would be bad. > I would go with Java mostly because of its application support frameworks > available on win95 and hopefully we may be able to convince a company or > two to make available their framework from the Dark Side to the Light Side > (FreeBSD) 8) > > You can argue about java vs tcl vs whatever however the bottom line is > the application framework . There are other parameters like performance > ease of maintainability , etc... > > Cheers, > Amancio