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Grimes" Message-Id: <201904011330.x31DUCYY015185@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: svn commit: r345760 - in head: contrib/pf sys/netpfil/pf sbin/pfctl In-Reply-To: To: Mateusz Guzik CC: Kristof Provost , src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-projects@freebsd.org Reply-To: rgrimes@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-src-committers@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3442D6F0D4 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.96 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.957,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] Status: O X-BeenThere: svn-src-projects@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the src " projects" tree" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2019 14:06:05 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 06:30:12 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2019 14:06:05 -0000 > On 4/1/19, Kristof Provost wrote: > > Author: kp > > Date: Mon Apr 1 06:51:32 2019 > > New Revision: 345760 > > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/345625 > > > > Log: > > pf: Remove obsolete pf > > > > pf in FreeBSD lags years behind OpenBSD's pf. > > Remove it. > > > > Users are advised to migrate to ipf. > > > > I think you jumped the gun here. I understand maintaing pf in isolation > is a burden and it prompted the removal, but there are other projects > which also have the port. > > I think a reasonable course of action would be to maintain a portable pf > port as a join effort with NetBSD. To that end you can start with > replacing FreeBSD network stack with theirs to increase compatibility. > > After that it's all smooth sailing. If there is desire to create/maintain a *BSD pf port within the communtiy I would love to see that team formed. I have direct feedback from some community that would like to see FreeBSD update its pf code, is there some people who would like to take this work on? I had started a private conversation with Kristof on this just a few days ago, but was waiting to return to continue that conversation, but since a public one is happening lets just all go over to a list and discuss it? > -- > Mateusz Guzik -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org