Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:07:22 -0500 From: "Michael C . Wu" <keichii@iteration.net> To: John Howie <JHowie@msn.com> Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ftpd bug in FreeBSD through at least 3.4 Message-ID: <20001004120722.B24813@peorth.iteration.net> In-Reply-To: <038b01c02cb2$1b5092c0$fd01a8c0@pacbell.net>; from JHowie@msn.com on Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 01:48:23PM -0700 References: <23683.970516562@critter> <038b01c02cb2$1b5092c0$fd01a8c0@pacbell.net>
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On Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 01:48:23PM -0700, John Howie scribbled: [useless Outlook style reply header deleted] | > In message <036301c02caa$ebc17300$fd01a8c0@pacbell.net>, "John Howie" writes: | > >> >Are you saying that if we found a terrible bug (not this easy one) | > >> >somewhere critical in 3.5.%d, we'd all have to immediatly upgrade? - | > >> Yes, I am saying that. | > >And this is why Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, et al will NEVER beat a supported | > >pay-for-use Operating System like Windows in the eyes of real-world | > >business-critical system administrators and CIOs. Of course, all the egos, | > >moaning, and bitching don't help either. | > Until you do you're asking me to waste my spare time because you | > cannot be bothered to upgrade your system to recent releases. | And I guess that we can all be proud of the fantastic upgrade procedure as | detailed in the Release Notes - basically copy /etc, install New OS, copy | /etc back. Get real - it takes a long time to upgrade any OS, FreeBSD more | so than some. It is not easy to install, configure, and administer and the This is a good procedure, and here is how it works: #!/bin/sh cvsup /usr/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile -h cvsup#.freebsd.org cd /usr/src make -j3 buildworld && \ #Stop the process if one of the following fails. make buildkernel kernel=GENERIC && \ make installkernel kernel=GENERIC && \ make buildkernel kernel=INEEDTOREADDOCUMENTATIONS && \ make installkernel kernel=INEEDTOREADDOCUMENTATIONS && \ make installworld && \ mergemaster echo "I can reboot now." Or, you could just do a binary upgrade and back up your /etc, then use mergemaster. | problem is compounded by having to rebuild half of /usr/local in some | circumstances. It is not a case of 'can't be bothered', it is a case of | don't have time/resources/spare hardware. Maybe if we looked at supporting I have binaries on my home box in Taiwan that date from 2.2.8 days. The box still runs well and is a router for my parents' home network. | past releases we could win some fans in the business community. Until then | we are mostly a bunch of hobbyists. I use FreeBSD, I love FreeBSD, I do | upgrade FreeBSD, but I would NEVER recommend FreeBSD as a business solution. This is a question-> "Why are you using FreeBSD then, if it is so bad?" | > Feel free to estimate my enthusiasm for your problem. | Your lack of enthusiasm IS part of the problem - and I'll take my share of | the blame too because you won't see me volunteering any time soon. Let's | face it, we are probably both extremely busy people and in an ideal world Let's face it, the FreeBSD developers are probably stupid extremely busy people who have real lives and work on FreeBSD for no real gain. For the ones being paid to work on FreeBSD, they are probably taking salaries that are 25%-40% lower than industry norm for their skills. Boy, are these people so stupid to do something like that? Can it be that they are trying to contribute and give up their free time so the users (e.g. you) can have a decent OS to run your extremely busy life/business, so busy that you cannot upgrade to the latest version. | everyone would upgrade to the latest version of every piece of software as | soon as it came out - but that doesn't happen. Don't be surprised if FreeBSD | doesn't take over the world because we don't support users running past | releases. To sink myself to a certain level to answer the above, I cannot imagine a world run by FreeBSD, or a world where clueful people complain that FreeBSD-* mailing lists do not help them when they report REAL bugs. -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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