From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 20 16:56:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F45516A4CE; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:56:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.village.org [168.103.84.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2EAF43D3F; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:56:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by harmony.village.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i9KGtP5H031882; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:55:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:55:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20041020.105544.00451032.imp@bsdimp.com> To: mitigator@gmail.com From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <6ff30abd04102008396bb61196@mail.gmail.com> References: <6ff30abd04102008163115a32d@mail.gmail.com> <20041020.093211.78703993.imp@bsdimp.com> <6ff30abd04102008396bb61196@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: sobomax@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: What do people think about not installing a stripped /kernel ?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:56:51 -0000 In message: <6ff30abd04102008396bb61196@mail.gmail.com> jamie rishaw at google mail writes: : > However, I'm going going to take exception that it isn't a disk space : > issue or that size doesn't matter. Size does matter. : > : > For a 64MB CF this would be a deal killer, : : Not if you can turn it off.. which was said in the OP Didn't I say exactly this? Is there some need to repeat what I said in the first line of my reply? : > and that's the size of the : > parts we're using now. With our X based systems, these cards are : > starting to fill up. In addition, we sometimes deploy new kernels to : > the field and 16MB takes a lot longer to upload than 3MB (think really : > bad connectivity to many of the remote locations our systems may be : > deployed in). : : [?relevance?] Concrete example. Not a theoretical one. This is why it matters. People around here tend to not go in for theoretical ones :-) : > I also have several machines where / is short on disk space, and I'd : > turn it off for them. It is simply too much extra to put on there. I : > could repartition these machines, but that's a huge pita and costs way : > too much in time and down time to do. The cost here isn't in disk : > space, but the hundreds or thousands of dollars of labor and/or : > opportunity costs. : : Sure. If you dont read /usr/src/UPDATING . >From UPDATING: This file is maintained and copyrighted by M. Warner Losh . See end of file for further details. :-) Warner Losh