Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 02:20:53 +0200 From: Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> To: Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> Cc: Paul Pathiakis <pathiaki2@yahoo.com>, "questions@freebsd.org" <questions@freebsd.org>, infoomatic <infoomatic@gmx.at> Subject: Re: Docker Message-ID: <CA%2B1FSij6ySmzvo_sKBtt9DNrsERxDsgtBYNs0x9bkazhckhwsA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAFYkXjnkv-UKBcVe3Wz=y9RLkMJrpE0%2Be3Pw_Vfq7v4CKKEg_g@mail.gmail.com> References: <20230329053443.6ADA6B6AFED5@dhcp-8e64.meeting.ietf.org> <34b4b76e-1c41-4cfb-9e86-856f01e8abc9@app.fastmail.com> <CA%2B1FSihVrJ8cZ4ZU6mMr0sKJsZ98V4fh2vpDLugw7MGj-%2BEBPg@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSijL50mQ-HveBA4HZeNkSoaORv=aty-15nNLzn9amzY_nw@mail.gmail.com> <6002f636-310b-a9fd-b82f-346618976983@timpreston.net> <CA%2B1FSigV_pPwVW%2BDd8WZYGcNQVt7%2BYOcsnJFoRhS6jL5A636pg@mail.gmail.com> <20230412150350.12f97eb2c9dd566b8c8702d2@sohara.org> <CA%2B1FSihVPCQ6tp8u=aqnLyyOPpCMrnhYGcC8bCUgRbFHTdY5sA@mail.gmail.com> <1535315680.2770963.1681309684072@mail.yahoo.com> <CAHieY7RFe0P85twcs1NiiAvTTr4oGPJEtXEkufsXswQt3ECGvg@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSiiCG-iugAbSoNC2r5WXCJvgi6pj3jG74jCwukhNtb_XGA@mail.gmail.com> <CADGo8CXsCYCOi%2Bwk2ED7zpJdFQDhynzD0u1qFDUFS3RveS8wOg@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSij3VXqsGs5ZTUv%2B9Q2wJ18yCqVqgHAyGfCWc0C%2Bxi=KXw@mail.gmail.com> <543289768.3317542.1681394425362@mail.yahoo.com> <CA%2B1FSiicxR1hbd=LO8%2BPMyv7=OmXZGa3Uco1p-rRP3pe1Yf6hA@mail.gmail.com> <f59385ad-a467-5e24-3c17-72c17d3b5aca@gmx.at> <887947753.4080046.1681511775374@mail.yahoo.com> <CA%2B1FSijAYbWDktOEbcAuAF8P-fTK5k_bDd0_isEKTUEAD-%2B2Ug@mail.gmail.com> <CAFYkXjnkv-UKBcVe3Wz=y9RLkMJrpE0%2Be3Pw_Vfq7v4CKKEg_g@mail.gmail.com>
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--0000000000006f8edf05f954f01d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't consider what the other people want to do or not. There are a lot of developers that opted for non standard solutions and generally this is not a good idea,in the same way and for the same reasons of the closed source code. Infact I don't see a big difference between the choice to not share source code and the choice to not adopt a non-interoperable technology. The mindset behind these choices have the same matrix. Since they act like this,should we do the same ? Interoperability is a good thing and should be followed regardless of what the other developers want or don't want to do. On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 1:21=E2=80=AFAM Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> wrot= e: > On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 12:46=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto wrote: > > So,let me understand : docker images aren't compatible with FreeBSD. > Imagine that the FreeBSD jails will be not compatible with Linux. Wow,thi= s > is true interoperability. > > Mario, (Free)BSD is Unix derivative and thus standard compliant, look > at sockets, IPv4, IPv6, Jails, ZFS, etc. > > It was Linux folks who invent things that are only compatible with > Linux and only until new fancy pancy Linux only revelation is > introduced then those solutions are not even Linux compatible anymore. > "Progress by Enforced Changes"^TM. It was Docker that did not take > other OS into consideration at design stage. It was SystemD that did > not take other OS into consideration at design stage, and now lots of > application follow that systemd core dependency making them hardly > portable to any other OS. What about kernel API changes with every > minor release that started around 2.4.11 (I was using Linux 2.0.36 / > ~1998 .. 2.4.12 / ~2007)? Look at DRM mess it introduced to graphics > driver world. How would you call that interoperability / portability / > long term maintenance? Linux by design is self-incompatible. Do you > really want us to to follow that "fashions" with a life span shorter > than a yogurt? > > There are reasons for people avoiding Linux. > > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > --=20 Mario. --0000000000006f8edf05f954f01d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I don't consider what the other people want to do= or not. There are a=20 lot of developers that opted for non standard solutions and generally this = is not a good idea,in the same way and for the same reasons of the closed s= ource code. Infact I don't see a big difference between the choice to n= ot share source code and the choice to not adopt a <span class=3D"gmail-Y2I= QFc" lang=3D"en">non-interoperable technology. The mindset behind these cho= ices have the same matrix. S</span>ince they=20 act like this,should we do the same ? Interoperability is a good thing=20 and should be followed regardless of what the other developers want or=20 don't want to do.</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo= te"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 1:21=E2= =80=AFAM Tomek CEDRO <<a href=3D"mailto:tomek@cedro.info" target=3D"_bla= nk">tomek@cedro.info</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo= te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204= );padding-left:1ex">On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 12:46=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto= wrote:<br> > So,let me understand : docker images aren't compatible with FreeBS= D. Imagine that the FreeBSD jails will be not compatible with Linux. Wow,th= is is true interoperability.<br> <br> Mario, (Free)BSD is Unix derivative and thus standard compliant, look<br> at sockets, IPv4, IPv6, Jails, ZFS, etc.<br> <br> It was Linux folks who invent things that are only compatible with<br> Linux and only until new fancy pancy Linux only revelation is<br> introduced then those solutions are not even Linux compatible anymore.<br> "Progress by Enforced Changes"^TM. It was Docker that did not tak= e<br> other OS into consideration at design stage. It was SystemD that did<br> not take other OS into consideration at design stage, and now lots of<br> application follow that systemd core dependency making them hardly<br> portable to any other OS. What about kernel API changes with every<br> minor release that started around 2.4.11 (I was using Linux 2.0.36 /<br> ~1998 .. 2.4.12 / ~2007)?=C2=A0 Look at DRM mess it introduced to graphics<= br> driver world. How would you call that interoperability / portability /<br> long term maintenance? Linux by design is self-incompatible. Do you<br> really want us to to follow that "fashions" with a life span shor= ter<br> than a yogurt?<br> <br> There are reasons for people avoiding Linux.<br> <br> -- <br> CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, <a href=3D"http://www.tomek.cedro.info" rel=3D"noreferrer"= target=3D"_blank">http://www.tomek.cedro.info</a><br>; </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span>-- </span><br><div dir=3D"lt= r">Mario.<br></div> --0000000000006f8edf05f954f01d--
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