From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 20 19:46:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928EB106564A; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:46:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bz@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mx1.sbone.de (mx1.sbone.de [IPv6:2a01:4f8:130:3ffc::401:25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427228FC08; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.sbone.de (mail.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 547A525D37C7; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC7BBBD76C0; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:46:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sbone.de Received: from mail.sbone.de ([IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) by content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02ptHUB9glV6; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:46:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from orange-en1.sbone.de (orange-en1.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31:cabc:c8ff:fecf:e8e3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 90FFABD76BF; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:46:13 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" In-Reply-To: <20111220193516.GE70684@glebius.int.ru> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:46:12 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5C93DF5B-B722-4FAF-8AD3-7918974C9A12@FreeBSD.org> References: <4EEF0124.4000902@FreeBSD.org> <4EEF3B22.8010401@FreeBSD.org> <4EF0499D.4070000@FreeBSD.org> <4EF0AD19.2000603@FreeBSD.org> <20111220165134.GA68792@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> <77311BF9-BD22-4567-B8FE-9CA0A99D4CA3@FreeBSD.org> <20111220193034.GC68792@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> <20111220193516.GE70684@glebius.int.ru> To: Gleb Smirnoff X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-current , Brooks Davis Subject: Re: r228700 can't dhclient em0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:46:16 -0000 On 20. Dec 2011, at 19:35 , Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 01:30:34PM -0600, Brooks Davis wrote: > B> I also worry about the problem that once you've installed world = there is > B> no easy way back. >=20 > When working on the patch for last months I did numerous 'make = installkernel > installworld' switching between a patched sources and unpatched, and = everything > goes fine. Yeah for the time being but we are talking about a 4-5 year timeframe. > B> If we can identify all the changed interfaces and we can teach = 9-STABLE > B> to deal with them then this change is probably OK and we just need = to > B> do the appropriate libc and ifconfig spackling and merge it. We = can't > B> let this slide too long though because the current state requires = an > B> installkernel+installworld for all intents and purposes and that = means > B> that if the kernel is broken you are dead in the water. > B>=20 > B> I agree we could really use some sort of way forward that increases = our > B> abilty to make these sorts of changes. >=20 > Why 9-STABLE? This change isn't going to be merged. Because we'd need to make sure that "fixes" go backward to work with the new stuff for the update path - the "fixes", not your change. /bz --=20 Bjoern A. Zeeb You have to have visions! Stop bit received. Insert coin for new address family.