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(adsl-074-245-053-043.sip.jax.bellsouth.net [74.245.53.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm1266757yws.31.2008.12.02.11.02.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:02:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49358640.3060600@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:02:24 -0500 From: michael User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080925) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob McConnell References: <20081121211828.GA9493@kokopelli.hydra> <20081202162808.GA5851@kokopelli.hydra> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:02:29 -0000 Bob McConnell wrote: > On Behalf Of Chad Perrin > >> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:25:24PM -0500, Bob McConnell wrote: >> >>> On Behalf Of Chad Perrin >>> >>> On the other hand, both Unix and Linux have a long way to go before >>> > they > >>> can match Microsoft's ease of use on the GUI. I believe the best way >>> to attack that problem is to find a new paradigm to replace the >>> > desktop, > >>> which is not a great interface model to begin with. >>> >> I guess that depends on your definition of "ease of use". In my >> > little > >> world, "ease of use" involves the ease, efficiency, and speed of task >> completion via an interface with which I'm familiar. It seems from >> > what > >> you said that in your little world "ease of use" means "familiarity", >> since that's really the major win for MS Windows interfaces, to the >> majority of its users. >> > > Here are two simple tests for ease of use. > > 1. View a tree of files and directories, some local some remote mounts. > Highlight a random group of those objects. Move the entire group in one > motion by dragging and dropping the collection to a new location in the > tree. > > 2. Do an SMB mount of remote directories onto the desktop or your home > directory. Open any application and access files in that directory as > easily as when they are on the local drive. > > I have not been able to do either of these on Ubuntu 7.10 or > XFCE/Slackware 12. In the first case, I need to cut and paste the > individual files one at a time. I can't even move a directory. In the > second, I have been unable to get Amarok, vlc, xine or any other > multimedia application I have tried, to recognize the SMB mounted > directory. It is invisible to them. At the application level there > should be absolutely no difference between a local drive and a mounted > remote drive, no matter what protocol was used to mount it. The > application should not need to implement smb:// itself. > > I am not even going to talk about how difficult it is to find and modify > basic configuration files, particularly after the LSB crowd really > screwed everything up. > > Once you fix basic problems like these, then we can talk about how to > redefine ease of use. > > Bob McConnell > ease of use is always relative to the person using. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >