From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 22 13:33:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF93C16A4CE; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:33:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.jazztel.es (smtp1.jazztel.es [62.14.3.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510EA43D53; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:33:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josemi@freebsd.jazztel.es) Received: from antivirus by smtp1.jazztel.es with antivirus id 1CA7G5-000539-00 Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:34:09 +0200 Received: from [212.106.207.12] (helo=rguez.homeunix.net) by smtp1.jazztel.es with esmtp id 1CA7G2-00052d-00 Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:34:06 +0200 Received: from localhost.redesjm.local (orion.redesjm.local [192.168.254.16]) by rguez.homeunix.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i8MDUfJA073252; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:30:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from josemi@freebsd.jazztel.es) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:30:41 +0200 To: "Michael Nottebrock" , freebsd-x11@freebsd.org References: <200409221503.10247.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> From: "Jose M Rodriguez" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200409221503.10247.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (FreeBSD, build 751) X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir Milter 1.1-beta; AVE 6.27.0.11; VDF 6.27.0.67 (host: antares.redesjm.local) X-Virus-Scanned: by antivirus cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Plans for after FreeBSD-5.3-RELEASE. X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:33:55 -0000 On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:03:08 +0200, Michael Nottebrock wrote: > On Wednesday 22 September 2004 12:46, Jose M Rodriguez wrote: > >> - Plans to work and standard FreeBSD way to X11 >>         + An implementation guide common to x11/gnome/kde (document -> >>         article | handbook) >> - Plans to work on a FreeBSD 'feeling'. Same fonts, ... >> + tweaks to apps-defaults, gnome and kde config. >> + common process of resources. Xresources , Xmodmap, ... >> - Plans to specific support easy thenmeing 'a la FreeBSD'. > > I'm rather sceptical about those. You need to remember that FreeBSD > isn't a > commercial linux distribution with their own art department and people > who > specialise in enforcing a common look'n'feel. > I don't think so. And we doesn't have the resources of, let say, Mandrakesoft. Also, FreeBSD gnome, kde and x11 projects are, more o less, independent. > If this should really happen, we'd need more than just a few new scripts > - > we'd need a team of people dedicated to make it work, keep it working and > deal with the constant flaming of users that don't like the new common > look'n'feel. And, as we haven't a splendit car, we can't even walk. I'm talking about simple and reallistik thinks like: - Have a simple document about how xinit, xdm, and so must work. - What to put in ~/.login or /.profile, and what in ~/.xprofile - who to use ~/.xinitrc and know when gdm/kdm/xdm must use it. - Try to reuse the basic xinit/xdm config from gdm/kdm. - Try to get a real failsafe X login. - Try to get the same defaults colours and font on xterms ... > > My own humble opinion is that it is probably more realistic to do those > things > in your specific project where you're in control anyway. Unifying the big > desktop environments is a big task, and so far I'm not aware of any > project > which managed to do it without more or less taking the look&feel of one > and > stomping it on the other (for example, Redhat went mostly for GNOME, SuSE > mostly went for KDE). > Agree. This is not the point. >>         + rcNG support for x11 >>                 * /etc/rc.d/xdm.  operative and valid for gdm/kdm/xdm >>                 * /etc/rc.d/xfs?  we need a font server with libXFT >> trends? >>                 * /etc/rc.d/xserver.  Xserver init for XDMCP (XTerminal) >>                 * /etc/rc.d/xinit.  Special init via xinit. > > Those things are probably doable. > -- josemi -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/