From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 7 15:08:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A7A16A41B for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 15:08:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tevans.uk@googlemail.com) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554F313C4F4 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 15:08:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tevans.uk@googlemail.com) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so613177ika.3 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 07:08:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=JIO/5gn+BpAVpXYc0h7Qa9aerl7vX+5FIjw7oiRUR4I=; b=E+sqAD/sg6ltDafDM53Kw0e9BeyLqZmJPLhZj29dkcob7UecgM0/mA3tQsC155mIwfSM0jV6kp2PKdBUQojPvc3xjExZv3eAFO+w/VFz4euXvin0OB+AHsYcoPUTyzI+rs++dZcRy4QikFAjS8qmC5ye8gIN/dtl7ZfSRK4yc+M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; b=AaQqxZwYEJ0GEkRnMlvqmVnlyP4cfHsTDj1rSv7LNTLj14ArrQyf3FeFRMQeqP2VYkypOZlzckW2BfAkYVXwNfd/p9yFBIcoioLEC5/iD5sW9rQ41bRfr0Vtz71coVlOJu6ZvcwRhtd2uDpFukp18o4yEyRRFvPWsSje92RR07A= Received: by 10.78.140.17 with SMTP id n17mr20331791hud.47.1202395353231; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 06:42:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?127.0.0.1? ( [217.206.187.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t2sm13843826gve.3.2008.02.07.06.42.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Feb 2008 06:42:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Evans To: Attilio Rao In-Reply-To: <3bbf2fe10802061700p253e68b8s704deb3e5e4ad086@mail.gmail.com> References: <3bbf2fe10802061700p253e68b8s704deb3e5e4ad086@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-JZcY1Bk03LPL/MIaQ2VE" Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:42:30 +0000 Message-Id: <1202395350.2126.14.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: Yar Tikhiy , Doug Barton , Jeff Roberson , freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, Scot Hetzel , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC] Remove NTFS kernel support X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:08:04 -0000 --=-JZcY1Bk03LPL/MIaQ2VE Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 02:00 +0100, Attilio Rao wrote: > As exposed by several users, NTFS seems to be broken even before first > VFS commits happeing around the end of December. Those commits exposed > some problems about NTFS which are currently under investigation. > Ultimately, This filesystem is also unmaintained at the moment. >=20 > Speaking with jeff, we agreed on what can be a possible compromise: > remove the kernel support for NTFS and maybe take care of the FUSE > implementation. > What I now propose is a small survey which can shade a light on us > about what do you think about this idea and its implications: > - Do you use NTFS? Yes > - Are you interested in maintaining it? No, wouldn't know how > - Do you know a good reason to not use FUSE ntfs implementation? What > the kernel counter part adds? Didn't work last time I tried, running RELENG_7 and the NTFS support in base does everything I need, don't experience any problems. I don't like the idea of=20 > - Do you think axing the kernel support a good idea? >=20 Truthfully, no not really. If no-one wishes to maintain it/fix it now, then I'd prefer it to be disconnected from the build until it annoys someone enough. Apparently its already broken and unusable, but WFM. /dev/ad4s1 on /mnt/windows (ntfs, local, read-only) If the base NTFS support was axed, would the fuse-kmod, or equivalent, find its way into the base? > Thanks, > Attilio >=20 Tom --=-JZcY1Bk03LPL/MIaQ2VE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBHqxjTlcRvFfyds/cRAqXLAJ9dtvANtiO9qEmVhM/VgZsbFdyYDgCffbWu PSyGQUCq8Hl6+zzcJC6YTEI= =tGRz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-JZcY1Bk03LPL/MIaQ2VE--