From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sun May 5 08:18:09 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B89515820A4 for ; Sun, 5 May 2019 08:18:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from petefrench@ingresso.co.uk) Received: from constantine.ingresso.co.uk (constantine.ingresso.co.uk [31.24.6.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 853B98AF6A for ; Sun, 5 May 2019 08:18:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from petefrench@ingresso.co.uk) Received: from [2001:470:6cc4:1:225:ff:fe46:71cf] (helo=foula.local) by constantine.ingresso.co.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1hNCLQ-000LeD-Dy for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 May 2019 08:18:00 +0000 Subject: Re: ZFS... To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <3d0f6436-f3d7-6fee-ed81-a24d44223f2f@netfence.it> <17B373DA-4AFC-4D25-B776-0D0DED98B320@sorbs.net> <70fac2fe3f23f85dd442d93ffea368e1@ultra-secure.de> <70C87D93-D1F9-458E-9723-19F9777E6F12@sorbs.net> <58DA896C-5312-47BC-8887-7680941A9AF2@sarenet.es> <62803130-9C40-4A98-B5A4-A2DFAC0FAD65@sorbs.net> <20190503125118.GA11226@neutralgood.org> <2A7B5457-371A-4014-8C1E-972BA2FD10DF@sorbs.net> <7b9ce013-e50c-7cfc-f5c1-c829855f8ee2@ingresso.co.uk> <0D6CF718-2D40-4457-ADAB-CC17B52124AA@sorbs.net> <28BE9C83-FA53-4856-9176-52A6CB113641@sorbs.net> From: Pete French Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 09:18:03 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:67.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/67.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <28BE9C83-FA53-4856-9176-52A6CB113641@sorbs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 853B98AF6A X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ingresso.co.uk; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of petefrench@ingresso.co.uk designates 31.24.6.74 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=petefrench@ingresso.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.64 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:31.24.6.74]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-3.31)[ip: (-9.66), ipnet: 31.24.0.0/21(-4.83), asn: 16082(-1.99), country: GB(-0.09)]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com, us-smtp-inbound-2.mi mecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-1.mimecast.com,us-smtp-inbound-2.mimecast.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ingresso.co.uk,none]; SUBJ_ALL_CAPS(0.45)[6]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.969,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16082, ipnet:31.24.0.0/21, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 May 2019 08:18:09 -0000 On 05/05/2019 04:06, Michelle Sullivan wrote: > Which I find interesting in itself as I have a machine running 9.3 which started life as a 5.x (which tells you how old it is) and it’s still running on the same *compaq* raid5 with UFS on it... with the original drives, with a hot spare that still hasn’t been used... and the only thing done to it hardware wise is I replaced the motherboard 12 months ago as it just stopped POSTing and couldn’t work out what failed...never had a drive corruption barring the fscks following hard power issues... it went with me from Brisbane to Canberra, back to Brisbane by back of car, then to Malta, back from Malta and is still downstairs... it’s my primary MX server and primary resolver for home and handles around 5k email per day.. Heh, Ok, thats cool :-) Some of my old HP RAID systems started life as Compaq ones - you never installed the firmware update which simply changed the name it printed on boot then ? My personal server with the dead battery has been going at least 12 years. Had to replace the drives (and HP SAS drives are still silly prices sadly), one of the onboard ether ports has died, but otherwise still going strong. Not had the long distance travel of yours though. I did ship some machines to Jersey once, but boat, and all the drives which had been on the crossing failed one by one within a few months of arriving. Makes me wonder how rough the sea that crossing actually was. Those were in a Compaq RAID pedestal too. After that I shipped machines, but took the drives in my hand luggage on planes always. Actiually, not sure they would let me do that these days, havent triued in years. -pete.