From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 1 11:01:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23993 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:01:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.5.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23987 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:01:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3a) id LAA19633; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:00:18 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199809011800.LAA19633@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Looking for feedback on xl (3c905/3c905B) driver To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:00:18 -0700 (MST) Cc: chad@dcfinc.com, mike@smith.net.au, don@calis.BlackSun.org, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199808312151.VAA00636@word.smith.net.au> from Mike Smith at "Aug 31, 98 09:51:45 pm" Reply-to: chad@dcfinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The flipside of this is that because we don't have the structure or > support in place to produce formalised "heads up" documentation, the > user community has to be willing to tolerate a certain degree of > surprise. > > I'm sorry if I managed to accuse you of being thick; that wasn't part > of the plan. 8( This is perhaps taking up more bandwidth than it's worth. The point =I= was trying to make is that the Handbook and other "good practices" documentation says if you're gonna track -stable or -current, you should read the associated mailing list. I did/do read -stable religiously and yet got caught out when my monthly update killed my machine. I think announcements on the mailing list are sufficient for "heads up", but however this one was phrased, it didn't make it clear that the vx to xl upgrade was not an option and that it was gonna happen as part of a CVSup. Nor did it say that unless you changed your kernel config file concurrent with a kernel build after Aug 24, you'd be off the net. I guess what I'm saying is I think adequate process is in place; we don't need another notification method. But this one failed (at least) me. As an aside, I hope this lengthy exchange opened at least one other person's eyes before they got caught. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message