From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 21:26:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4641065AEB for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:26:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rnoland@FreeBSD.org) Received: from gizmo.2hip.net (gizmo.2hip.net [64.74.207.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495E48FC21 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:26:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rnoland@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [64.134.51.37] (dhcp64-134-51-37.cmos.dca.wayport.net [64.134.51.37]) (authenticated bits=0) by gizmo.2hip.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mB4LPunW081033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:25:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rnoland@FreeBSD.org) From: Robert Noland To: Garrett Cooper In-Reply-To: <7d6fde3d0812040151t77ca6200n5aa5a644223c2040@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081128234155.0221e263@serene.no-ip.org> <4930D7CE.4080909@psg.com> <20081202220643.72eb52a3@serene.no-ip.org> <4936D0C2.2090306@zircon.seattle.wa.us> <1228342356.2078.24.camel@wombat.2hip.net> <7d6fde3d0812040151t77ca6200n5aa5a644223c2040@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-gGJkJd5NxSGrAhFjoDTC" Organization: FreeBSD Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:25:56 -0500 Message-Id: <1228425956.2012.12.camel@wombat.2hip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL,RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on gizmo.2hip.net Cc: Randy Bush , "Conrad J. Sabatier" , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Artem Belevich Subject: Re: i give up X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:26:00 -0000 --=-gGJkJd5NxSGrAhFjoDTC Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 01:51 -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Robert Noland wrote= : > > On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 11:44 -0800, Artem Belevich wrote: > >> > Second, DO NOT use motherboards with built-in video. These are almo= st > >> > always nvidia chipsets and suffer from the nvidia problem. Also, th= e video > >> > is crappy and buggy. > >> > >> I'd not discount them all as a class. Intel's built-in G33/G35 with > >> recent DRM and x86-video-intel driver seem to work pretty well for > >> accelerated 2D on the few boxes I have under FreeBSD-8/amd64. I even > >> get 3D working on occasion. :-) > > > > Correct, Despite my occasional frustration with them, Intel is very > > supportive. They are providing docs and code (linux code) and I have a > > decent relationship with the Intel graphics devs. > > > > ATI/AMD has also become much more friendly and r500 and below should > > work fairly well. r600+ is still under development. > > > > Interestingly enough, VIA just released docs on some of their chips as > > well. I have it on my list to work on, but I don't yet have hardware t= o > > work with. > > > > robert. > > > >> --Artem >=20 > Eh? ATI can't write drivers to get themselves out of a cardboard box > on Linux, let alone FreeBSD. I have little faith that they'll get > functional 64-bit drivers before nVidia does, as ATI as definitely > demonstrated that they don't care for the *BSD market as much as > nVidia has. I'm not referring to ATI/AMDs proprietary drivers. They are providing open documentation now, as well as information that isn't yet public when I ask for it. So, I'm speaking about the open drm/mesa/Xorg driver, which afaik is working pretty well on r500 and below now. robert. > -Garrett --=-gGJkJd5NxSGrAhFjoDTC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkk4SuQACgkQM4TrQ4qfROPKvQCfa8QO4BKVYQva+iQFzBbUmYL0 ErcAoIZr+hyh/H3Iy51GZJIkE0MYfONv =n4G0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-gGJkJd5NxSGrAhFjoDTC--