From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 11 13:10:43 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFAED32FB26 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 13:10:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x434.google.com (mail-wr1-x434.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::434]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49jPNy45Yvz4ZlH for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 13:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x434.google.com with SMTP id x6so6066969wrm.13 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 06:10:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YcnlKEajK56LUc83Xs/jfc0ltEa+1NAt/UK0B7Fs5mo=; b=clus7Y/7AkdwyPEwGT9LeaoXNmFjU2AnI1EHBcy6jZIJyLvkshz4KM051Yjc8fkRgT kAx+YhQe1yaDK7r3FQlVDzTv3Y66C0BDByXHwDYyXMJY7YMo7BxGe/AOKyDU4vYj+3uJ WkDf2VXR+KJiucH8FfdnA/uvkkLOgbdnUXwHy5JkuxeZHCp06YSH7gHZl4zFyU0rANt5 +BNuc08hiqxMuR4IWfIi/xhGg78XWwFTHXvRT2PHIhFnRuynLS9EVQfL46Cw7T5JDlOa xwevVcNo+bIMhLBGjC5U5VL3272UcYSUaDYNvvOM6M8lMqk9CLObzEfZVnm9DDniGDuq N1Mw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5307sJpIQK1aH/l+JzW2tOycHCkc1rDYQLNWE27qQBPhrXcZR0Uj FeQvX7GKWfHkL/leZ8G0RQHFZlsO X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyAzZ/d3kn9YlJqYN14VRLOHG6a/9TftdVI+2gao2879SPh2zAFmbnuGBK/Y44TyLit9YoY+w== X-Received: by 2002:adf:a4dd:: with SMTP id h29mr10085256wrb.372.1591881040692; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 06:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([2.222.66.16]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h188sm4590595wmh.2.2020.06.11.06.10.39 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 11 Jun 2020 06:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 14:10:38 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette was freebsd vs. netbsd Message-ID: <20200611141038.0a068ec2@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <171506d5-19aa-359e-c21d-f07257c52ebd@freenetMail.de> <62d10000-e068-922e-23bd-f7a61e7a4e89@anatoli.ws> <6a4f6a15-ec43-03f6-1a41-a109e445f026@anatoli.ws> <00225a04-237d-9051-9aea-12c192106a20@anatoli.ws> <373EDB20-C750-42E2-A41B-EA61F6E49807@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200609120136.00005b3c@seibercom.net> <2393a1e0-b073-950a-78be-9f57d8e9934b@anatoli.ws> <20200610063555.00003707@seibercom.net> <82F57D0D-E0EC-49F7-824E-20A296C9F549@kicp.uchicago.edu> <250b853a-b436-0e99-b05c-9abd6b6019ef@panix.com> <20200610163245.00000445@seibercom.net> <2ec5927b-26c6-e691-0081-ca72d2c84179@boxsci.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.5 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49jPNy45Yvz4ZlH X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.78 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[2.222.66.16:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.995]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.019]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::434:from]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.23)[0.231]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com:dkim] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 13:10:44 -0000 On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 19:11:07 -0700 Donald Wilde wrote: > GMail appears to accept MIME, and I can see embedded MIME tables, > etc., but the non-text stuff doesn't survive the reply-quoting process > very well. You are confusing MIME with HTML. Without MIME, email is just ASCII headers, an ASCII text body and a few kludges. What the article is mainly referring to is MIME sections and encodings. If a client doesn't support sections you may see things like: ----11F4010BD64A7DDD4A964F0B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable in the body. Plain text with a Content-Transfer-Encoding that hasn't been decoded can be harder to read or unreadable. Any modern client really should be able to read MIME, it's been around for nearly 30 years. Using a client that doesn't support it is just an affection these days. HTML is something that can be encapsulated in MIME. It's a very different matter. > Actually, given that the output of the quoting process is very usable > indented plain text, I think Google did a very good job considering > that GMail is a free service from a commercial, for-profit company. You can use gmail with a separate email client if you like. The servers support pop/imap/smtp.