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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 11:07:12 -0400 Message-ID: <2e2501d53731$274cafc0$75e60f40$@ixsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQJWFIEFoFMVwZy5WoQYCdHHc8VrkwHCH5IrAguh77EA+wR06KWb8guQ Content-Language: en-us X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 747349010B X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ixsystems-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=o2bwgkzu; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ixsystems.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kris@ixsystems.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::c34 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kris@ixsystems.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.75 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ixsystems-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ixsystems-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: ALT3.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.com]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.3.c.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ixsystems.com,none]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.959,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.78)[ip: (-8.24), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.17), asn: 15169(-2.42), country: US(-0.06)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:07:15 -0000 This is internal only right now. FreeNAS 12 is still in the lab. We are using the newer ZoL internally on other infrastructure though (On FreeBSD HEAD as well). You'd need to run it through your normal qual process to ensure its up to par on your end though. And that's a no on being able to use it in a jail. You can't have the old base-system ZFS kernel module loaded and then load the newer ZoL/OpenZFS kernel module. -- Kris Moore -----Original Message----- From: John Kozubik Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 11:03 AM To: kris@ixsystems.com Cc: 'Alexander Leidinger' ; freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: RE: How many "production" releases will FreeBSD have when the ZoL merge comes in ? Kris, On Wed, 10 Jul 2019, kris@ixsystems.com wrote: > I'm keeping the port pretty updated for exactly this reason. We intend > to use it for FreeBSD 12 here at iX, so far it seems to work pretty well. > You'll just need to build world without ZFS so you don't end up with > conflicts on zfs/zpool and libzfs. Are you currently using ZoL in production for customers ? Pardon my ignorance, but is ZoL in use anywhere in FreeNAS/TrueNAS ? I am pretty sure that we *cannot* run stock/standard ZFS in the base world and give someone in a jail ZoL (with a module) correct ? Thanks.