From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 4 06:31:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B43A22ED for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 06:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qc0-x232.google.com (mail-qc0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::232]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EDFFF4D for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 06:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id b13so39303889qcw.9 for ; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 22:31:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ebqE7IVx9/ZU6nnCQaum6kE8sKmDfQ947cRQqpHQ+5U=; b=0pfEOT1zjzewUX/rJcICyjgviBEEvylBy6UVta/KemrBhrs0PIicnSPEIq/qXIPjB5 VkvxyvvUXkpJAb0/ACquQxi//xhQOh55i03N/7o157a6Smys6+pWyyqQoHGMHjs6clAh JFNRcplyyBmu6l54T/hkfFJSHRMWfOqTraUCxnAFT+e2aszUJ0Lek3yCEpE2wM0SIneD yLqtYnY+Q8rHRjpdRctFbJyN+ZtMCrBYP4CtUdvNU/qtleuCcdvkgL5teHc6mz2850y5 LHUolEL0ojbw4PxsB3mC6WuJ58mniEpV+DR0dGlj7II05/9GTXf/1ecAwQLWztLHj/Si 8TrA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.161.14 with SMTP id p14mr61630709qax.77.1423031467490; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 22:31:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.177.97 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 22:31:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 07:31:07 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reintro and pkgng aghastness From: Torsten Kirschner To: Jacob Ritorto Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 06:31:08 -0000 The 360, if I recall correctly, is the one with very little cache, right? Way less than the 333 or 4(4|0)0, right? Not sure that it matters now, but the lack of a proper cache might result in severe performance penalties. On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 3:33 AM, Jacob Ritorto wrote: > hah, awesome. My 360 could reach mind-smashing speeds of, like, 396 or > something D: > > Hmm, those 370-3799s you mentioned are $16 on ebay atm... Tempted.. > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 8:42 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: > >> >> https://web.archive.org/web/20150204014108/http://www.ezplanet.net/xwiki= /bin/view/KnowledgeBase/SunUltra5Overclocking >> >> --curt >> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 5:29 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: >> >>> it also runs the 440 mhz ultrasparc. the specs say 400 is the limit, >>> but hey, 10% more cpu is there, too. just don't overclock it - I did f= ry >>> one 440 mhz cpu that way. >>> >>> --curt >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Torsten Kirschner < >>> torsten.kirschner@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> No, like he wrote, the only reason why the U5 was "limited" to 512 MB >>>> was that the tall modules wouldn't fit, because the space was occupied= by >>>> the floppy drive. >>>> Low sticks fit nicely under it. There are low profile sticks with 256 >>>> MB each. >>>> The U5 runs 1GB RAM exactly like an U10. >>>> >>>> Den onsdag 4. februar 2015 skrev Jacob Ritorto >>>> f=C3=B8lgende: >>>> >>>> really, you found a way to get to 1G? I thought only 512 was possible >>>>> even >>>>> with the weird tall sticks? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:53 PM, zenxyzzy wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > I've also had luck putting the tall memory modules in an ultra 5, >>>>> bumping >>>>> > it to 1G ram. this did take me removing the (quite useless) floppy >>>>> drive. >>>>> > later, I got some X7039A's, which are low-profile versions. then I >>>>> got >>>>> > room to put another 3.5 inch drive in. >>>>> > >>>>> > --curt >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Jacob Ritorto < >>>>> jacob.ritorto@gmail.com> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> hmm, got the 2013 version on CD. It made it pretty far along but >>>>> crashed >>>>> >> and burned whilst loading the miniroot, or whatever they call it, = to >>>>> >> ramdisk. Memory's just too darn small. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:11 AM, zenxyzzy >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> I've had luck putting a sata to scsi adaptor on a DVD. should be >>>>> able >>>>> >>> to boot that. also, there's plenty of IDE dvd's around. you'd >>>>> have to >>>>> >>> open the ultra 5 up, though :-> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> --curt >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Jacob Ritorto < >>>>> jacob.ritorto@gmail.com> >>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> Was just about to do that - I have it running on my T1000. But >>>>> >>>> Martin's open source politics scared me a little a few months ag= o >>>>> - he >>>>> >>>> pulled everything OpenSXCE-related from the Internet and there >>>>> was no >>>>> >>>> recourse for the OpenSXCE user community. Maybe it's worth >>>>> another go now >>>>> >>>> that that appears to be sorted out. Unfortunately there's no wa= y >>>>> for me to >>>>> >>>> load the 2014 bits on my Ultra5 as it's a dvd-only release :\ >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> thx >>>>> >>>> jake >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, zenxyzzy >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> There's another option that maybe you shouldn't ignore. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> OpenSxce. it's illumos plus a lot of hackery minus a lot of >>>>> stupidity >>>>> >>>>> for Sparc. I run it happily on my Sun Blade 1000. modern ZFS >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> everything. >>>>> >>>>> XVR-1000 support. root on SSD. fan control support - this >>>>> clinched >>>>> >>>>> it for me. neither linux or freebsd can turn the freaking fan >>>>> off or down. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> plus source. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> plus, runs solaris 11 binaries from that "O"ther company. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> get it from opensxce.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --curt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Jacob Ritorto < >>>>> jacob.ritorto@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>>> I'd been away from FreeBSD for fifteen years, but I'm back >>>>> and I'm >>>>> >>>>>> pleased to announce that I'm using a computer that's from >>>>> around the >>>>> >>>>>> time I >>>>> >>>>>> left FreeBSD :) It's a nice little Sun Ultra 5. Bone stock; >>>>> doesn't >>>>> >>>>>> even >>>>> >>>>>> look like the case has ever been open. I recently had to stop >>>>> using >>>>> >>>>>> Solaris >>>>> >>>>>> because they're became evil and Illumos because they're kind o= f >>>>> not >>>>> >>>>>> supporting this hardware anymore. I tried OpenBSD, but its >>>>> >>>>>> applications >>>>> >>>>>> just crashed. So here I pragmatically am. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I like FreeBSD. I didn't leave out of disgust or anything; >>>>> mostly >>>>> >>>>>> just >>>>> >>>>>> employment being all-Sun years ago. So it's cool revisiting i= t >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>>> seeing >>>>> >>>>>> all the changes and all the stayed-the-sames. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I'm pretty exited about the new FreeBSD pkgng system. I had >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>>> extreme >>>>> >>>>>> pleasure of using it whilst installing my SPARC last night >>>>> (which, >>>>> >>>>>> unfortunately, took from mid evening until around 4:30 in the >>>>> >>>>>> morning. (I >>>>> >>>>>> didn't have any cds or floppies at my disposal, so I instead >>>>> built the >>>>> >>>>>> network / diskless system installl on a virtualbox vm on my Ma= c >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>>> installed FreeBSD to the SPARC from there). Good old >>>>> >>>>>> rarp/boopt/tftp/nfs! >>>>> >>>>>> Reminded me of Sun Jumpstart! I was really pleased that this >>>>> way of >>>>> >>>>>> doing >>>>> >>>>>> things still works on FreeBSD Truly a slick and smart design. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> But is it true that I can't actually use pkgng on my real >>>>> computer >>>>> >>>>>> because It's not a PC? >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I've been looking around the Internet for some hours, now, t= o >>>>> no >>>>> >>>>>> avail. >>>>> >>>>>> Are there seriously *no* package repos for SPARC? >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> If that's the case, I'd like to help remedy it. I've read >>>>> around >>>>> >>>>>> on how >>>>> >>>>>> to contribute, but it seems none of what's out there pertains = to >>>>> >>>>>> pkgng for >>>>> >>>>>> sparc. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Please let me know if I'm understanding the situation right >>>>> and how >>>>> >>>>>> I can >>>>> >>>>>> help, if help is wanted. I have a lot of SPARCs and they need= a >>>>> >>>>>> trustworthy operating system with software package system that >>>>> >>>>>> doesn't have >>>>> >>>>>> to be manually-wrought. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> "Oh, wow, it just finished its five-plus-hour ports build of >>>>> freaking >>>>> >>>>>> tmux!" >>>>> >>>>>> jake >>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>> freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>> >>>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 >>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>>>> >>>>>> freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-sparc64 >>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >>>>> freebsd-sparc64-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >