From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Sat Apr 18 03:58:24 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400882B8801 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 03:58:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 493zhb0SbWz4N8q; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 03:58:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.1.216] (cpe-23-243-162-239.socal.res.rr.com [23.243.162.239]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 6a2a0b42 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Sat, 18 Apr 2020 03:58:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: drm-i915kms + x11-intel eats out all of the ram and swap but not with x11-scfb To: Alexey Dokuchaev , Jan Beich Cc: Niclas Zeising , Tomasz CEDRO , freebsd-x11@freebsd.org References: <19d0dbdc-f1ac-22f1-6934-076bb5733ab7@daemonic.se> <24c43065-527d-499b-282a-43df2a947a1d@gmail.com> <20200418024954.GB6251@FreeBSD.org> From: Pete Wright Message-ID: <1ab0b060-ee43-3e0d-4f9c-ebad1e92c57e@nomadlogic.org> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:58:20 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200418024954.GB6251@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 493zhb0SbWz4N8q X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 174.136.98.114 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.07 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[239.162.243.23.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(-2.77)[ip: (-9.24), ipnet: 174.136.96.0/20(-4.16), asn: 25795(-0.42), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 03:58:24 -0000 On 4/17/20 7:49 PM, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 07:01:49PM +0200, Jan Beich wrote: >> ... >> Unlikely. modesetting reached "good enough" level while X11 is >> deprecated in favor of Wayland. > X11 is certainly not going anywhere as it mostly works just fine and no > replacement is needed. You guys can play with Wayland or whatever the > next cool kid on the block is called as long as you wish but please let > it be your pain, not ours. > > Deprecating X11, huh. That's preposterous! You should let the Xorg development team know your opinions on this topic.  the freebsd graphics team is trying to make sure that when upstream does make the cut over to wayland we are not left totally out. i would also say that *now* (well probably several years ago) is the time for us as a community to get engaged with wayland development. there are already lots of linux and systemd assumptions being made by their development efforts, so this is our opportunity to make sure our voices are heard before it's too late. personally my biggest worry is that wayland going to end up being even more tightly coupled with logind/systemd and we'll be left with the choice of no modern graphics stack or having to adopt systemd in some way.  i'd hazard a guess that this is a situation that none of us would be too happy with. -p -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA