From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 10 21:08:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ports@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA7416A56A for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:08:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from zig.murex.com (mail.murex.com [194.98.239.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE14843D5A for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:08:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from interscan.fr.murex.com (interscan.fr.murex.com [172.21.17.207] (may be forged)) by zig.murex.com with ESMTP id k4ALB1l9024878; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:11:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mxmail.murex.com (interscan.murex.fr [127.0.0.1]) by interscan.fr.murex.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k4ALkFs27138; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:46:15 +0200 Received: from [172.21.130.86] ([172.21.130.86]) by mxmail.murex.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 10 May 2006 23:07:57 +0200 From: Mikhail Teterin Organization: Virtual Estates, Inc. To: Mark Linimon Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:07:56 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605041507.08581.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> <200605081028.09756.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> <20060510201424.GA1679@soaustin.net> In-Reply-To: <20060510201424.GA1679@soaustin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-u" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605101707.56550.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2006 21:07:58.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[D07A7600:01C67475] Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Eric Anholt , Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: X.Org 7.0 port? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:08:37 -0000 середа 10 травень 2006 16:14, Mark Linimon написав: > 2. You have ignored the point that kris and I and anholt are trying to > make, that he is not obligated to fix your problem. Rather, you have ignored my response to this accusation. I'll repeat: The obligation exists. I can't quite express it, but it is the same obligation, that keeps everyone working on their bits and pieces of the project, respond to requests for help, follow-up on PRs... One can not take such obligation to court (luckily), but it still exists. I guess, this piece of "common sense" is not so common, so I'll refer you to Saint-Exupery: "You are responsible, forever, for what you have tamed." > It's fair to say "xyz doesn't work". It isn't fair to say "abc _must_ > fix xyz".  This model simply does not work with volunteers. Even volunteers _must_ sometimes work on the unpleasant stuff to keep their project relevant... Pointing this out to them explicitly is usually a bad form, of course, but in this case the suggestion was solicited (that you were joking was not at all obvious). Anyway, how about "_should_"? -mi