From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 12:57:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A2516A4CE for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:57:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from www6.web2010.com (www6.web2010.com [216.157.5.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F8B43FBD for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:57:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from MLandman@face2interface.com) Received: from delliver.face2interface.com (dialup-wash-129-203.thebiz.net [64.30.129.203] (may be forged)) by www6.web2010.com (8.12.10/8.9.0) with ESMTP id hAHKu1p6023551; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:56:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20031117154856.01b4eb58@pop.face2interface.com> X-Sender: face@pop.face2interface.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:56:12 -0500 To: Kurt Jaeger , Damian Gerow From: Marty Landman In-Reply-To: <20031117204102.GI61630@complx.LF.net> References: <20031117203641.GG98840@sentex.net> <20031117204102.GI61630@complx.LF.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Daily/weekly/monthly output aggregation X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:57:35 -0000 At 03:41 PM 11/17/2003, Kurt Jaeger wrote: >We plan to replace the mailed output by centrally collecting the >results and defining some sort of "needs action" output. As a developer I'd like to throw my 2 cents in; although this stmt may come as no news to anyone else imho the issue is what to parse out as significant. With the underlined caveat that once you make (what's in essence then) a policy decision about what system output is significant enough to pass along to the admin as worthy of review the danger is in everything that /isn't/ passed along. At least now you've got the gnawing feeling that you're behind in reading the stuff; once you implement a system to decide what's worth reading you've gotten rid of that guilt pang. Should that evolve into a sense of false security - well I can only speculate how many server crashes could've been avoided if not for feelings of false security. I have my own thoughts about how something like this could be done, but it's based more on my experience as a developer than as a sysadmin, and tbh I have no experience as an isp owner. Marty Landman Face 2 Interface Inc 845-679-9387 Sign On Required: Web membership software for your site Make a Website: http://face2interface.com/Home/Demo.shtml