From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 21:39:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22AD11065673 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:39:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74708FC19 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:39:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f30so4125347qba.35 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:39:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=INEOtDgQRDSnRF1127VdPZtd6rZ8ig4NiTrtSMC7abU=; b=snVFfbsMFDgdi2SI2T2NfgK33rS8hvcVBMQpH7zLuCsjILUAMoRRr43bWsAciLafR1 5XAhA2mI9S1n4iyRRqvHQ2X1iGFTTwyDpZZI1xOddO5RRoN13zhXc1WS76kGBXSOll+0 8kEQRsf0uPSvlUVvEOcivNXC7mtNmjRincbRA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=DFDOsXzolLyNOxDcVGpCxoaxTYnfil+eHNu5zh0ysAv2NiP4ks4KXoaLFoKQw6Ote1 uYQo10c3DlMMYKbjI03unbHFi07q1wNK5oQ0XMC8Ulpjeq6YPdoV3Ev5orDADOatU5tp pIBhDqylyH8uEC8tmGx2/Lu6R/z+paR9eKRao= Received: by 10.140.188.19 with SMTP id l19mr7168780rvf.216.1228426763511; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:39:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.158.13 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:39:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d6fde3d0812041339t5af6c8dfoc877d68cdb163bb0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:39:23 -0800 From: "Garrett Cooper" To: "Robert Noland" In-Reply-To: <1228425956.2012.12.camel@wombat.2hip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081128234155.0221e263@serene.no-ip.org> <4930D7CE.4080909@psg.com> <20081202220643.72eb52a3@serene.no-ip.org> <4936D0C2.2090306@zircon.seattle.wa.us> <1228342356.2078.24.camel@wombat.2hip.net> <7d6fde3d0812040151t77ca6200n5aa5a644223c2040@mail.gmail.com> <1228425956.2012.12.camel@wombat.2hip.net> Cc: Randy Bush , "Conrad J. Sabatier" , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Artem Belevich Subject: Re: i give up X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:39:25 -0000 On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Robert Noland wrote: > On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 01:51 -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Robert Noland wrote: >> > On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 11:44 -0800, Artem Belevich wrote: >> >> > Second, DO NOT use motherboards with built-in video. These are almost >> >> > always nvidia chipsets and suffer from the nvidia problem. Also, the video >> >> > is crappy and buggy. >> >> >> >> I'd not discount them all as a class. Intel's built-in G33/G35 with >> >> recent DRM and x86-video-intel driver seem to work pretty well for >> >> accelerated 2D on the few boxes I have under FreeBSD-8/amd64. I even >> >> get 3D working on occasion. :-) >> > >> > Correct, Despite my occasional frustration with them, Intel is very >> > supportive. They are providing docs and code (linux code) and I have a >> > decent relationship with the Intel graphics devs. >> > >> > ATI/AMD has also become much more friendly and r500 and below should >> > work fairly well. r600+ is still under development. >> > >> > Interestingly enough, VIA just released docs on some of their chips as >> > well. I have it on my list to work on, but I don't yet have hardware to >> > work with. >> > >> > robert. >> > >> >> --Artem >> >> Eh? ATI can't write drivers to get themselves out of a cardboard box >> on Linux, let alone FreeBSD. I have little faith that they'll get >> functional 64-bit drivers before nVidia does, as ATI as definitely >> demonstrated that they don't care for the *BSD market as much as >> nVidia has. > > I'm not referring to ATI/AMDs proprietary drivers. They are providing > open documentation now, as well as information that isn't yet public > when I ask for it. So, I'm speaking about the open drm/mesa/Xorg > driver, which afaik is working pretty well on r500 and below now. > > robert. Well, yeah. I was referring to the proprietary drivers though, because all you get is 2D acceleration with the open ATI/nVidia drivers. Given the fact that r500 is rather old too though... that lags a lot more behind nVidia -- but I'm sure that's due to volunteering and lack of man-hours because nVidia has a few devs dedicated towards maintaining their driver on *BSD. -Garrett