From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sun Apr 12 05:56:02 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE132B34E8 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 05:56:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from hz.grosbein.net (hz.grosbein.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:c2c:26d8::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hz.grosbein.net", Issuer "hz.grosbein.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 490Lb56WzLz4fqC for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 05:56:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from eg.sd.rdtc.ru (eg.sd.rdtc.ru [IPv6:2a03:3100:c:13:0:0:0:5]) by hz.grosbein.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 03C5ttmx046622 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 05:55:56 GMT (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) X-Envelope-From: eugen@grosbein.net X-Envelope-To: Received: from [10.58.0.10] (dadvw [10.58.0.10]) by eg.sd.rdtc.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 03C5trQJ000947 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:55:53 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Subject: Re: Why is the console a graphic/bitmapped console, and not text/character by default References: From: Eugene Grosbein To: freebsd-stable Message-ID: <548297b0-d720-c3fc-2bca-01025f581515@grosbein.net> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:55:47 +0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOCAL_FROM, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Report: * -2.3 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] * 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record * -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record * 2.6 LOCAL_FROM From my domains X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on hz.grosbein.net X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 490Lb56WzLz4fqC X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=permerror (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of eugen@grosbein.net uses mechanism not recognized by this client) smtp.mailfrom=eugen@grosbein.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[grosbein.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(-1.89)[ip: (-5.22), ipnet: 2a01:4f8::/29(-2.61), asn: 24940(-1.58), country: DE(-0.02)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_PERMFAIL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:2a01:4f8::/29, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 05:56:02 -0000 12.04.2020 11:41, Chris wrote: > Sorry for the ling title. But wasn't sure how make my > question more concise. > Why did we begin making an initial console "graphics mode" > by default. My understanding has always been that (Free)BSD > has been a "Server by default", and a Desktop after an initial > install if that's one chosen target. > It's near impossible to perform initial configuration > in graphics mode, using a mouse to cut/copy/paste does *not* > work as intended. Which requires one to make the necessary > changes "breaking to the new system" after install completes > to change initiation to test-mode before bouncing the box. > While this "works" for long-time users. It's an *extra*, and > seemingly *unnecessary* step. It is also likely to behoove > first-time/new users -- except those already targeting a > Desktop. > > Thanks for any insight into this! :) There are now many new hardware incapable of booting in legacy mode. It runs in UEFI mode only that needs newer console driver vt(4) that defaults to pixel rendering mode but supports text mode, too. Sadly, some UEFI-based hardware does not support text mode even with vt(4) and there is no option other than using pixel mode then.