From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 6 08:26:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9827616A417 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:26:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F89613C4A5 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:26:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (dialup81.ach.sch.gr [81.186.70.81]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id lA68PUqq025023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:25:39 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA68PTDd027857; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:25:29 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA68PM4c027763; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:25:22 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:25:22 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Message-ID: <20071106082522.GA22607@kobe.laptop> References: <472F6773.3080801@delphij.net> <472F6B02.2030801@delphij.net> <472F7C05.6050000@conducive.net> <472FCE60.9070806@gmail.com> <47301A4A.2030807@conducive.net> <47301E48.1000409@gmail.com> <20071106080634.GA8648@kobe.laptop> <473021A6.3000203@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <473021A6.3000203@gmail.com> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.931, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.47, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Wiki for discussing P35/IHC9(R)/SATA issues set up X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:26:08 -0000 On 2007-11-06 03:11, "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > That's the way a lot of FreeBSD developers work. It may look > > 'flawed' and 'wrong', but there are probably a fair number of > > reasons why this is their preferred 'mode of operation'. For > > example, they may not have web access at all times. An email > > with a lot of useful information in the form of a logfile is > > available when 'offline' too. A wiki is not. > > > > I'm not saying that you shouldn't use your favorite means of > > collecting information from these threads (i.e. the wiki), > > but it is important to realize that it's *not* easier or more > > useful than the mailing lists; what is *can* be is another > > source of information, a complementary resource :) > > Now we are going in circles... one of the very first replies in this > thread I said just that! (well at least the wiki was for record > keeping only but the list was the discussion location) I only mentioned why the mailing list should be where all discussion takes place because you seem to be pushing so hard about 'the wiki' (as in 'mentioning every couple of posts or so'). That's fine. But you should really consider stopping the 'whining about the wiki', and keep working with Xin Li, who has patiently kept going even after comments like: ``Now do you see why we need a wiki?'' I personally don't. The patronising tone of similar comments is something which risks alienating you from Xin Li, or any other developers who are willing to help. Please don't do that :) PS: Your mailer seems to be stripping off attribution lines, which makes it a bit hard to follow deeply nested quotes. Can you please check to see if there's an option to fix that?