From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 2 13:25:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11F316A420 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:25:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from speedfactory.net (mail6.speedfactory.net [66.23.216.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D34343D58 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:25:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (unverified [66.23.211.162]) by speedfactory.net (SurgeMail 3.5b3) with ESMTP id 3006827 for multiple; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:23:06 -0500 Received: from zion.baldwin.cx (zion.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB2DOvoe002243; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:25:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: Takeo Hashimoto Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:23:03 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.3 References: <051202121018.M0201229@emifuku.ss.jip.co.jp> In-Reply-To: <051202121018.M0201229@emifuku.ss.jip.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512020823.05064.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on server.baldwin.cx X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1653887525 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, hashimototakeo@mac.com Subject: Re: advocacy/89731: TOO MANY SPAMs on jp.freebsd.org's mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:25:21 -0000 On Thursday 01 December 2005 10:10 pm, Takeo Hashimoto wrote: > > What > > do you really want the project to do? > > I had misunderstood that send-pr will reach to jp admins, > but now I know send-pr system is not directly connected to jp admins. > > so... If there is someone in the project who can contact to jp admins, > and if he can, would he please forward this topic to them? > That is the only thing that I can want the project to do. Ok, that sounds reasonable. I can point one of the guys on core@ at this P= R=20 actually since he is in .jp and I think he might work with jp.freebsd.org. > > All we can really do is point the jp.freebsd.org > > domain at a different set of folks, but we can't do that unless a > > different set of folks with machines exist and are setup and have > > demonstrated that they are more responsive than the existing jp folks. > > waoh waoh it is the last choise that I don't want. > I am not a terrorist, I want to make better changes (or no changes) > peacefully. I understand. I'm mostly just trying to make a point about what the projec= t=20 can or can not do. I guess the biggest thing is that freebsd.org and=20 jp.freebsd.org aren't very tightly joined, but fairly independent of each=20 other. > >> OK, then, this PR was wrong topic. > >> my last task of this PR is only one thing: > >> - post a summary > >> > >> ...am I wrong again? :) > > > >You can post a summary if you wish. I'll probably close the PR after th= at > >though. > > Thanks. I am now preparing it, please wait more few hours. Sure. > >> anyway, I will keep act to jp admins. thanks. > > > >Ok, that's the best thing to do for now. If the jp folks are not > > responsive you can send an e-mail to core@, but note that from the notes > > above there really isn't a whole lot core can do other than perhaps pull > > jp.freebsd.org but that would only be viable if the current jp was worse > > than having no jp at all, which I highly doubt would be true. > > I hope that I do not send claim to core@. > We still need jp subdomain, I just want to make it better. Yes, I wouldn't expect you need to resort to e-mailing core@. Due to the w= ay=20 the projects are organized however, as far as freebsd.org itself, e-mailing= =20 core@ is about all you can really do. Anything less drastic requires=20 interacting with jp.freebsd.org directly, but I think we're both clear on=20 that now. =2D-=20 John Baldwin =A0<>< =A0http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" =A0=3D =A0http://www.FreeBSD.org