From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 10 06:06:10 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07443106566B; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 06:06:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfourman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f197.google.com (mail-pz0-f197.google.com [209.85.222.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57E78FC08; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 06:06:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk35 with SMTP id 35so23618pzk.3 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 23:06:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:received:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9X2CBT24yN+GH76dE4KTZ2f+dmBBzFr1LQzk1hBGgtc=; b=H2Hl08o67ZaRc1It1yc01VqIMAeFir4NU4UBDxAuwF4cQWkBpJTpmNrnzeRd/Ni2Rd ClIsKCXgyHTp4NmJ15XI+s4Fudg4lCC5wXIt9UNbhkVO1RXb6MJfB7ndIUnYECQ2tdJC rLlDDk8pnRBlN9Yn0q+w40xFngCqLjsiam1EM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BTCkARQwKqmaOrac5TyvT1t7m2OPpBxd+hYQpbH37i6c6m75ULjuo+gdEsH2iZaolC e8l3fcqmhnyrtyp7rnldMdeLSf/FeteyL342INMCPmiAWcr+dSXeasBSReBFAZ3gDXLq APXWZrS9ZHMTUcb8Qufy4PD1rpKG9sPJqI/+4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.30.2 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 23:06:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BBFD502.1010507@elischer.org> References: <4BBFD502.1010507@elischer.org> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 01:06:09 -0500 Received: by 10.142.207.19 with SMTP id e19mr689984wfg.186.1270879569357; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 23:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "Sam Fourman Jr." To: Julian Elischer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: ports@freebsd.org, "Dave Fourman\(Gmail\)" , Vanessa Kraus , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: ports and PBIs X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 06:06:10 -0000 On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Julian Elischer wrote= : > sorry for the cross-post.. > > Last night at the Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group meeting we had > a discussion about ports, and what is good about them and what > is bad about them. This has been a topic of discussion quite a > bit recently and we were looking for a solution that would > allow us to keep the good parts of the current ports system > but would allow us to give a better user experience for non > guru users. > > The scheme we came up with involves a merging of the > ports tree and the PBI system, developed for PC-BSD. > > Basically, the addition of a makepbi keyword in the .mk > files to allow the automatic generation of PBIs for 'simple' > ports such as 'cowsay' (the canonical simple app). > More complicated apps would need manual work in Makefile or > in a separate pbi-recipe file, but once the support was done > we could proceed one port at a time. =A0Not all ports make sense > in a PBI format. (e.g. libraries etc. may not) I for one support this Idea, and at a BoF FreeBSD Desktop session at BSDCan= 2008 one of my suggestions was to have FreeBSD "bless PBI's" I think this is good For PC-BSD. and in return it is GREAT for FreeBSD, as it will widen the user base and hopefully attract a few more good developers. keep this discussion going, because there isn't mush of a downside so far as I can see. Sam Fourman Jr. > One issue that was raised is the increase of storage > overhead when using PBI packages as they include a copy of > all required libraries and resources, which means that one would > very quickly get duplicate copies of things. > > Our suggestions include the ability of the PBI management software > to resolve and (using hard links) eliminate duplicate items. > This is not as easy as it sounds but can be achieved using a > special variant of 'objcopy' (at least that is our theory). > > The aim is to make all apps installed on a system much more > resilient to dependency problems. > > In addition there was discussion on how builds need to be doable as non-r= oot > uids sometimes, and that users on a system should be > able to install packages (PBIs) as thie selves to get local > versions of apps for themselves. > > Alfred Perlstein , Matt at ix systems Kris (Mr PBI), some > others and I, felt that these ideas seemed to make some sense > and so I put them here for comment. > > > Julian > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >