From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 17 12:11:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0E81065675 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 12:11:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1B18FC19 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 12:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so2413754bwz.13 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 04:11:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.53.199 with SMTP id n7mr1556190bkg.53.1297944695571; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 04:11:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rc9sm596786bkb.14.2011.02.17.04.11.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Feb 2011 04:11:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D5D1075.2060708@my.gd> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:11:33 +0100 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Oliver Brandmueller , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" References: <4D5BF78E.7010306@digsys.bg> <4D5BFCC1.3010404@my.gd> <20110217110230.GB25240@e-Gitt.NET> <4D5D0165.1030000@my.gd> <20110217111010.GC25240@e-Gitt.NET> In-Reply-To: <20110217111010.GC25240@e-Gitt.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: LSI SAS 2008 (mfi) on SuperMicro X8SI6-F X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 12:11:38 -0000 On 2/17/11 12:10 PM, Oliver Brandmueller wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:07:17PM +0100, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> It looks rather unhappy: >> >> mybsd root /usr/ports/sysutils/smartmontools >> # >> /usr/local/sbin/smartctl -a /dev/da0 >> smartctl 5.40 2010-10-16 r3189 [FreeBSD 8.2-RC3 amd64] (local build) >> Copyright (C) 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net >> >> /dev/da0: No such file or directory >> Smartctl: please specify device type with the -d option. > > Thanx for the test and the quick reply! I'm really getting crazy on > this. All the SAS controllers seems to have nifty RAID features and > stuff... *sigh* > > Thanx again, > Oliver > What is sad is that these controllers are becoming very mainstream now, we're getting them more and more on Dell servers , and the fbsd project still struggles with them (for reasons I don't know, might be LSI's fault, might be a lack of resources or interest...) I'm having a very hard time defending the use of fbsd for firewalls at work, with the recent release of debian kfreebsd. What's saving fbsd for the moment is the lack of a proper CARP implementation on debian kfree. Actually, cc'ing the list, I'd like to share my feelings on this. @list: I'm trying very hard to keep freebsd at work for our firewalls. Recently, I installed new blade servers shipping with h700 controllers (these attached to mfi w/o problems). If, for some reason, we get h200 cards using the mps driver, I'll have to install using software RAID instead. This would be a *disaster* and extremely hard for me to justify to my boss. The staff in the datacenters check the machines every day, making a routing inspection to ensure no server has orange warning lights. Typically when a hardware RAID's hard drive fails, the lights go orange thus prompting them to warn us (in case we missed the nagios alert) for a replacement. If I had to use software RAID, we'd be giving up on this extra security and, again, I'd have a very hard time justifying it.