From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 11 13:17:37 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3333732FEBD for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 13:17:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.13]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49jPXw2w5zz4bMD for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 13:17:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.24.162]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MjSwu-1j37Ei1dnu-00kvSu for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:17:34 +0200 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:17:34 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd vs. netbsd Message-Id: <20200611151734.ea6963ad.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200611083041.0000039c@seibercom.net> References: <171506d5-19aa-359e-c21d-f07257c52ebd@freenetMail.de> <6a4f6a15-ec43-03f6-1a41-a109e445f026@anatoli.ws> <00225a04-237d-9051-9aea-12c192106a20@anatoli.ws> <373EDB20-C750-42E2-A41B-EA61F6E49807@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200609120136.00005b3c@seibercom.net> <2393a1e0-b073-950a-78be-9f57d8e9934b@anatoli.ws> <20200610063555.00003707@seibercom.net> <82F57D0D-E0EC-49F7-824E-20A296C9F549@kicp.uchicago.edu> <250b853a-b436-0e99-b05c-9abd6b6019ef@panix.com> <20200611070630.2cb42786.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200611091449.383e1d83@archlinux> <53a6833e-db63-2395-4d2e-f05a9b1fb269@boxsci.com> <20200611122357.5a0a71c6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200611083041.0000039c@seibercom.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:NjrFscyGZ94iOkiNPF3Ffr46c4fClA03YhAgrVm9+AmGT45M230 KkTnmm0W+BV8MdImQUYnn4Hg0qjuxZ3UzIkKaqx/7V1yq4bDECMLJOrzB5R85Dt1dV597xT UBPty2u7rOMcLvhg83pRwajBepz3ZdLWgkhSb3TAwpqAQxxMSiu7Q1HehavaQ6sYy5OUgFw F2Yn8PFLUrzmQ5eFPfjNw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:tYCXbvm9CUE=:QHwCq2q+Pwhf02v+yhwrit Ya82by85Yf2CE5FjmXpUtH0NLelwv9m4Ju7r4xNPHts7Rjmqro/BIqaSNnDSMe0etjVkovNKA KqKbp8qHFvfaiIYFPDHS/Twi9Pp31vTRscpjrK+8WZR8HOgmRGRj3G6jUkABjHftDwx+l31FQ ttLzzHl9A/noCPAACwDu9CwEtd44a2nAqi+c5SkQ06PXZazOgA+mLFYXMnAXXQI0DrK7v+HdB 4phiM8VZn6Bb+MoU1oG/ueyHRJzWbi00uZ1uAPw3yTjteN+H0g5zR1hF5CFrw7lqk0ExL7mRv WNaZrMufkBK+wx11gCnb1umIdK+wzf2HAkWVFsQtcwqwWSI0n1uUN8jApEoDXbOPMqanF2qJR qkUUbZ8Fp2qyE0esCvav/ENaNNgy0vX3Hq+ag4nMJxxyg6Rc1gQTpqchV1sagfoBIwFLTxvKH /zDRcbgiaDMNCeZ4MUYljDzAZqy2MLV2v/sGoNuGYuTtCz09/G5ALhdwisz1ERuLT/gnTLjGo 4UjniQX09Yu2p619ZJbPZBPfvvnIVN2AZQm4Ww9NUF4N5ASuAwwu5Dv+/m9xIOH6vRSA61Fpu JwX+t5DPTFDEuRWV9b10wBjjZ4j7Ow8I+IVgk1t5ZSpNk+hG1RVfyR2jNGTQYFb/jVQES/wFI 73cAJ0lmdjxnGB6jwy3HrahrN112wZ9F6dDCNfQY4Z86QG87sOD7hgOFgWWrPsZ3veM7AEx2y TKDVG893vPAqTf+PEDrD6a2hjfgzSzEMtxTiBT1SopShW3TDu9hKAx03X+lq6BhTz5hAivvB0 6FKL4tIZMjQUZOKiqAIR5czKZt7iKkIG+ozBrOdfBZbBGvejfTMvhznMlzbLM53a4uIY7PE X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49jPXw2w5zz4bMD X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 13:17:37 -0000 On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 08:30:41 -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 12:23:57 +0200, Polytropon commented: > >On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 05:53:30 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > >> As I said before the top posting rule really does fly in the face of > >> convention for most non-technical/mailing list oriented mail users. > >> > > > >Hmmm... sorry, but I think that this statement is problematic, > >as it contains a significant contradiction: You use the > >term "most non-technical/mailing list oriented mail users", > >but non-technical users won't use a mailing list! The use > >of mailing lists is quite prominent among advanced users, > >while non-technical users seem to prefer web forums. So > >more or less, you can consider anyone using a mailing list > >to be an advanced (or at least, not "non-technical" user). > > Nothing snobbish or elitist about that comment. Absolutely nothing. My individual observation is, and please note the "direction of the implication arrow": novice user ---> web forum advanced user ---> mailing list That does _not_ imply that there aren't (at least a few) novice users who start on mailing lists (as you can see from the archives, they do actually exist), and it also does not imply that advanced users cannot use web forums (and in fact you can find them there). But compare how many "noobs" (terminus technicus, not offending) communicate on web forums compared to mailing lists - you'll see a significant difference. The reason is simple: For novice users, it seems to be far easier to register to a web forum than setting up a proper "working environment" (no matter if it's a web mailer or a standalone MUA program) for email communication and use with a mailing list. ---> != <---> This is of course a bit oversimplified and does not represent any attempt of an entirely correct summary. Exceptions exist. And there's nothing wrong (or "elitist") about it. I know that, because I know everything. Oh fsck, I accidentally activated the computer's snob mode... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...