From owner-svn-ports-all@freebsd.org Wed Jan 23 04:45:23 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-ports-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2071E14BACE7; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 04:45:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B41DC89CF3; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 04:45:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1033) id 9326F76D; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 04:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 04:45:22 +0000 From: Alexey Dokuchaev To: Martin Wilke Cc: Christoph Moench-Tegeder , Jan Beich , svn-ports-head@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, ports-committers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r490910 - in head: Mk Mk/Uses mail/thunderbird www/firefox www/firefox-esr www/firefox-i18n www/firefox/files www/palemoon www/seamonkey Message-ID: <20190123044522.GA8128@FreeBSD.org> References: <201901212303.x0LN3jR3059519@repo.freebsd.org> <20190122100911.GA77378@elch.exwg.net> <20190122205210.GA2480@elch.exwg.net> <20190123021742.crxjjzlcvg3ly55k@miwitb.miwi.cc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190123021742.crxjjzlcvg3ly55k@miwitb.miwi.cc> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B41DC89CF3 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.94 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.937,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: svn-ports-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the ports tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 04:45:23 -0000 On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 10:17:42AM +0800, Martin Wilke wrote: > On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 09:52:11PM +0100, Christoph Moench-Tegeder wrote: > > ... > > Given that WAYLAND is the default for us, and "without wayland" > > might be untested anyways - would it make sense to remove the > > WAYLAND option and force it to "on" always? Please don't. I have zero reasons to want/enable Wayland bits and deal with all the extra bloat that comes with it. Modern FreeBSD/X.org stack is quite bloated already (e.g. compared with my 8.4-STABLE setup). > Correct me if I am wrong, WAYLAND is a X replacement which is not really > working with FreeBSD atm. Not just FreeBSD, it looks like experimental project even in GNU/Linux, but most important it is inherently useless in the first place, because X11 works just fine. > Why should I/we install it when we don't use it? For me the only thing > it does is increasing build time, and for minimal desktops a useless > dependency. Its already absurd enough to have 2 CLANG versions on a > desktop. I fully concur. We really need to slow down the bloat in ports, it is becoming harder and harder to build/use them on a typical commodity, moderately capable hardware. ./danfe