From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 6 08:26:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DBC16A468 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:26:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1F013C4AC for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:26:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (dialup81.ach.sch.gr [81.186.70.81]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id lA686f0S024162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:06:52 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA686eql015716; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:06:40 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA686Y3X015715; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:06:34 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:06:34 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Message-ID: <20071106080634.GA8648@kobe.laptop> References: <472F5D9A.9050900@delphij.net> <472F6773.3080801@delphij.net> <472F6B02.2030801@delphij.net> <472F7C05.6050000@conducive.net> <472FCE60.9070806@gmail.com> <47301A4A.2030807@conducive.net> <47301E48.1000409@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47301E48.1000409@gmail.com> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.931, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.47, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: Bill Hacker , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Wiki for discussing P35/IHC9(R)/SATA issues set up X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:26:11 -0000 On 2007-11-06 02:56, "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: >>> 2. The only difference between different hardware is the >>> implications of sw issues... for example I get timeouts but no >>> infinite cycle when booting from cd >> >> ACK - and developers of software very seldom have access to even the >> tiniest fraction of the hardware that the community at large have >> their hands on. > > And that is why I volunteered to help out but it seems they prefer for > me to just send various diag dumps so neither of us has any grounds > for complaint here I think. That's the way a lot of FreeBSD developers work. It may look 'flawed' and 'wrong', but there are probably a fair number of reasons why this is their preferred 'mode of operation'. For example, they may not have web access at all times. An email with a lot of useful information in the form of a logfile is available when 'offline' too. A wiki is not. I'm not saying that you shouldn't use your favorite means of collecting information from these threads (i.e. the wiki), but it is important to realize that it's *not* easier or more useful than the mailing lists; what is *can* be is another source of information, a complementary resource :)