From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 27 23:59:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA7416A4CE for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:59:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 03C2143D1D for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:59:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dkelly@HiWAAY.net) Received: (qmail 24208 invoked by uid 0); 27 Oct 2004 23:59:44 -0000 Received: from user-69-73-60-132.knology.net (HELO ?10.0.0.68?) (69.73.60.132) by smtp2.knology.net with SMTP; 27 Oct 2004 23:59:44 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <417FCBDF.4040102@ofdeng.com> References: <017b01c4bb78$28263a00$4df24243@tsgincorporated.com> <20041027155704.GA861@procyon.nekulturny.org> <417FCBDF.4040102@ofdeng.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <38227116-2874-11D9-8CF2-000393BB56F2@HiWAAY.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Kelly Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:59:20 -0500 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Subject: Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:59:24 -0000 On Oct 27, 2004, at 11:25 AM, Kevin Lyons wrote: > In pointing out the advantage of pointy clicky, I think you may > overlook a signifigant deleterious side effect. In fact there is > plenty of reason to disdain the point-click approach. Mainly because > it adds complexity to the software which tends to make the software > unstable. How often have you performed a gui command on a windoze > "system" (pick your flavor) and found that 1 time out of 10 it did not > work, even though the same procedure was repeated? How many times > has that happened on a Unix box with command line? As a mere mortal "forced" into Outlook at new employment I spent an hour or so spread over the past couple of days trying to figure out how the change the default password on my email account. The "admin" is an hourly part-time consultant. My "default" password was same as username. Microsoft online help wasn't helpful. No phrase I could conjure and utter as a magic spell would produce helpful hints. Google turned out to be a better help system than Microsoft. Of course the examples I found did not look like my version of Outlook. Learned Outlook behaves differently if it has an Exchange Server to talk to, which mine did not. On a lark I opened the company mail host with Internet Exploder and found a webmail server running which allowed changing my password. Knew full well were to type the new one in Outlook and the change worked. Then I installed Eudora in "advertising supported mode." Had more problems until I discovered my email account name was my full email address. When Eudora polls the server it says its checking account@host@mail.host. Prior to this situation I never fully understood how broken Outlook really was. That it really won't let one properly insert-reply. That it does not reply-quote any of the plain text component, not even when one forces plain-text mode on reply. When one insert-quotes the HTML section it only changes the color of one's text, does not break the quote bar down the left side. Overheard the Admin proclaim, "For only $X we can become a Microsoft Partner and get all sorts of wonderful software thrown in!" I can smell an Exchange server coming. I don't doubt Microsoft is one of the higher paid "employees" at this little company. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad.