From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 13 10:03:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ports@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C526116A420; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:03:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stijn@pcwin002.win.tue.nl) Received: from kweetal.tue.nl (kweetal.tue.nl [131.155.3.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3364143D45; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:03:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stijn@pcwin002.win.tue.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kweetal.tue.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7410513B7FB; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:03:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from kweetal.tue.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kweetal.tue.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 59968-10; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:03:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from umta.win.tue.nl (umta.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.100]) by kweetal.tue.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC3A13B746; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:03:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from pcwin002.win.tue.nl (pcwin002 [131.155.71.72]) by umta.win.tue.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A0431401C; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:03:35 +0100 (CET) Received: by pcwin002.win.tue.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C344A40BC; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:03:35 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:03:35 +0100 From: Stijn Hoop To: Michael Nottebrock Message-ID: <20051113100335.GE69544@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> References: <200511130038.jAD0cgLb043746@sakura.ninth-nine.com> <200511130900.24801.lofi@freebsd.org> <20051113081633.GD69544@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> <200511131007.35678.lofi@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n2Pv11Ogg/Ox8ay5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200511131007.35678.lofi@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Bright-Idea: Let's abolish HTML mail! X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at tue.nl Cc: ports@freebsd.org, nork@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Integrated DEBUG related macros to WITH_DEBUG/WITHOUT_DEBUG X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:03:37 -0000 --n2Pv11Ogg/Ox8ay5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 10:07:29AM +0100, Michael Nottebrock wrote: > On Sunday, 13. November 2005 09:16, Stijn Hoop wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 09:00:21AM +0100, Michael Nottebrock wrote: > > > I don't think it's a good idea at all to unify all debug knobs > > > into one universal WITH/WITHOUT_DEBUG - it requires the user to use a > > > third party portmanager utilitiy or fiddling with conditionals in > > > make.conf if he wants debug symbols on specific ports only. > > > > Well that goes for the other knobs as well of course -- WITH_PERL, > > WITH_PYTHON and other programming extension languages come to mind, as > > do NOPORTDOCS and WITHOUT_GUI (there are some things that I don't need > > a GUI for on my desktop). >=20 > And people have expressed their unhappiness with that status quo repeated= ly,=20 > especially in the context of OPTIONS. >=20 > One very promising proposed solution was to extend the OPTIONS framework = to=20 > support NO_OPTIONS_ and WITH|WITHOUT__. >=20 > I agree that this is the way to go - making the currently available switc= hes=20 > even more ambiguous just in order to get more content into KNOBS is=20 > contraproductive. I totally agree that such an implementation combines the best of both worlds. I disagree with waiting to disambiguate options until it is available, but this is just my opinion (looking through either 'make config-recursive' or ports Makefiles isn't my idea of fun as I'm sure it isn't yours). --Stijn --=20 "What kind of a two-bit operation are they running out of this treehouse, Cooper? I have seen some slipshod backwater burgs, but this place takes the cake." -- Special Agent Albert Rosenfield, "Twin Peaks" --n2Pv11Ogg/Ox8ay5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDdw93Y3r/tLQmfWcRAhDwAKCkJXnr3X5DpH0kbDZiEaZY5RQS3ACfd1u/ xc0jl05/OjOnj8kQg5qNF3I= =SDoX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --n2Pv11Ogg/Ox8ay5--