From owner-freebsd-chat Sun May 13 8:42:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3C637B424 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 08:42:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from europax@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.12.186.185]) by femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010513154234.UQRC22926.femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com>; Sun, 13 May 2001 08:42:34 -0700 Message-ID: <3AFEAB1C.C45A16F@home.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 08:41:16 -0700 From: Rob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Knowles Cc: Jordan Hubbard , bzdik@yahoo.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crap OS X References: <20010512130047Z.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <20010512222337.90720.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com> <20010512170922Z.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I might install Max OS-X if they had a version of CyberDog that ran on it. I really loved that program. It was the first WWW browser that was fast. Rob. Brad Knowles wrote: > > At 5:09 PM -0700 5/12/01, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > I wasn't talking as a theorist either, but perhaps I've simply worked > > in a wider array of environments than you have. I can certainly say > > that my needs would be rather ill-served by MacOS 8, whereas is > > appears to be more than enough for you. > > The thing I'm most looking forward to is reduction in the number > of times my machine is crashed, or locked up into a state where the > only way to recover is to pull the plug. If real virtual memory and > pre-emptive multi-tasking were the only things added to MacOS 9, I'd > be pretty happy. > > As it is, I've been waiting years for someone to deliver on the > promise of taking the Mac interface and joining that to the power of > Unix. Don't talk to me about A/UX, I remember what a dog it was. [0] > NeXTStep was a better attempt (at least it was a semi-functional OS > with a fairly decent GUI), but they had a problem with being able to > deliver the desktop applications. > > For me, Apple has flubbed enough things in the past, such that if > they screw up MacOS X, they're toast. I've got tens of thousands of > dollars of hardware and software invested in MacOS, but I've been > frustrated enough with them for enough years that I think I'll pretty > much toss it all away if Apple doesn't get this right. > > In my book, Apple already has one foot down that road, because of > lack of support for AT&T/Lucent/Agere WaveLAN/Orinoco cards under > MacOS X. Apple won't support them because they aren't AirPort cards > (although AirPort cards are only slightly modified WaveLAN/Orinoco > cards to begin with), even though they use real WaveLAN/Orinoco cards > in their own AirPort Base Station. Lucent/Agere won't support them > under MacOS X because they feel that this is the responsibility of > Apple. Somebody has to give. > > [0] Its only raison de etre' was the fact that Apple wanted the > cheapest possible path they could get to being able to say that their > hardware was capable of running a POSIX-compliant OS. This way, they > could better shoe-horn their way into US Federal Government contracts > where the contracting officers really just wished that Apple would > dry up and die, because they wanted their PCs dammit, but they > weren't allowed to specify PCs directly, so one way they had of > locking Apple out was to require that the machine be capable of > running a POSIX OS -- regardless of the fact that they would never > even dream of running a POSIX OS on the thing, they'd instead run GEM > or Windows 1.0, and the hell with POSIX. > > Of course, for this, Apple chose to base A/UX on SVR2, the oldest > (and cheapest) version of Unix that was actually POSIX compliant, as > opposed to SVR3 which was newer, much more capable, and had a higher > probability of actually being semi-useful. > > -- > Brad Knowles, > > /* efdtt.c Author: Charles M. Hannum */ > /* Represented as 1045 digit prime number by Phil Carmody */ > /* Prime as DNS cname chain by Roy Arends and Walter Belgers */ > /* */ > /* Usage is: cat title-key scrambled.vob | efdtt >clear.vob */ > /* where title-key = "153 2 8 105 225" or other similar 5-byte key */ > > dig decss.friet.org|perl -ne'if(/^x/){s/[x.]//g;print pack(H124,$_)}' > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message