From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 2 22:55:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00461065672 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:55:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929468FC08 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:55:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n52MtTq0045625; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:55:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n52MtS4b045622; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:55:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:55:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Erik Osterholm In-Reply-To: <20090602224622.GA88422@barragry.com> Message-ID: References: <4688025620918128507458768288443306245-Webmail@me.com> <20090602215339.GA86750@barragry.com> <20090602224622.GA88422@barragry.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:55:39 -0000 >> this way - nobody should write anyone. there is always a line that missed >> - completely changes a sense of sentence. > > I'm sure you know that this is an absurd proposition. It's just explanation. You can't write anything that will be absolutely resistible to misreading. >> >> If second - then please Owners declare it clearly and just add >> statement about this. > > Isn't there a middle-ground? Where we can care about how we present > ourselves, yet we do not feel beholden to the possible sponsors? > > A good example would be to always respond kindly and appropriately, There is some difference between responding kindly, and shutting up being aware that your opinion may be not accepted by potential new users. If you are for the second - you propose that any "non-standard" opinion should not be presented. Actually - this way FreeBSD should cease to exist, because it's based on non-standard opinions about how operating system should be done - contrary to "standard" which define things like micro-soft windows. >> Anyway - Do users of any commercial product support list must think >> if their words will lower the selling of the product? i don't think >> so. > > They probably care less about the product. I personally want FreeBSD > to succeed because it is Why you want it to succeed? IT ALREADY DID! You should want it only to be kept that way - keeping the quality. > , in many ways, superior to all of the > alternatives. No - in many ways it does not have alternatives at all. > As such, I hope that when I discuss it, I present it in > a good light. For example, if someone asks me, "How do you do in > FreeBSD?", I rarely suggest that the go read the fine manual. And i do - when the answer is clearly readable in manual. So i help reader can both get answer to his question and learn how to use man(1) >> "Every sentence that can potentially lower the income or core team >> are punished with 10 lashes. Erik Osterholm will be the executor". > > More absurdity. Really no sense of humour?