Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:12:34 -0500 From: Alex Goncharov <alex-goncharov@comcast.net> To: Peter Jeremy <peterjeremy@optushome.com.au> Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, rnoland@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unhappy Xorg upgrade Message-ID: <E1LT0fC-0001ui-EP@daland.home> In-Reply-To: <20090130195311.GK1755@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> (message from Peter Jeremy on Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:53:11 %2B1100) References: <6B7ABE80-35AB-4C44-B5A4-200E10DCC3AC@airwired.net> <E1LSP0B-0003Ds-H8@daland.home> <49819BD5.5040709@FreeBSD.org> <E1LSWHr-0009TS-P7@daland.home> <1233236412.1779.40.camel@wombat.2hip.net> <20090130195311.GK1755@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org>
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,--- You/Peter (Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:53:11 +1100) ----* | X11 is a critical component for anyone who is using FreeBSD as a | desktop and having upgrades fail or come with significant POLA | violations and regressions for significant numbers of people is not | acceptable. Fully agree with this. | I suggest that this approach needs to be followed for every future | release of X.org until (if) the X.org Project demonstrates that they | can provide release-quality code. And agree with this, as far as the future is concerned -- but this leaves out the issue of what is going to be done for people whose systems became practically incapacitated in a matter of one day. Screw us? I realize that personally I haven't contributed much (hey, a simple port's maintainer!) to FreeBSD, so a disregard to my situation may be well deserved. But "you" (whoever this "you" is: the "ports manager", the X port maintainers) have to be aware that leaving the things in the state they are now, you are screwing somebody. | > This update also brings in support for a lot of people who are | >running newer hardware. | | And breaks support for lots of people who used to have functional X | servers. Just so. ,--- Kostik Belousov (Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:25:09 +0200) ----* | Just to give a different view on *this* update. I have exactly opposing | experience. | | So far 1.5.3 + updated DRM works good on all my Radeons. | And, I did not have a problem with i945GM on 1.4.2 and 1.5.3. `----------------------------------------------------------* Well, glad for you -- meanwhile I will be reverting my desktop to the old X this weekend: the garbage on the screen is ugly, but the fact that in the new X "opera" can grab a pointer for about a minute makes the combined use of the browser and xterms/Emacses plain intolerable. After I do this, as I did with my laptop already, I think I am completely cut off from the ports automated upgrade cycle. -- Alex -- alex-goncharov@comcast.net --
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