From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Aug 7 19: 0:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from online.no (pilt-s.online.no [148.122.208.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05E614CFC for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:00:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shaun.jurrens@stud.uni-regensburg.de) Received: from dakota.shamz.net (ti01a26-0013.dialup.online.no [130.67.3.141]) by online.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA08252 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 03:59:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from shaun@localhost) by dakota.shamz.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06290 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:28:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from shaun) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:28:16 +0200 From: Shaun Jurrens To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE quirk in 3.2-STABLE kernel ? Message-ID: <19990807192816.A372@dakota.shamz.net> References: <37AB8B48.4A79197B@tig.com.au> <001201bedfb8$92fa3440$88291fac@wipro.tcpn.com> <37AA75DD.3F3DD365@softweyr.com> <37AB8B48.4A79197B@tig.com.au> <199908070515.XAA07383@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199908070515.XAA07383@harmony.village.org>; from Warner Losh on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 11:15:25PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 11:15:25PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: #> In message <37AB8B48.4A79197B@tig.com.au> Chris writes: #> : As always when a misconfiguration (read 'not to spec') is used enough #> : then it quickly becomes somewhat of a de facto standard. #> #> I'd love to see chapter and verse on this :-) #> The source of this mess almost certainly can be found by the assemblers of mass produced boxes. Although I know this thread doesn't belong here and I hate to speak up in such trivial things, the cause certainly stems from the discovery that running a atapi-cdrom and and eide hdd on the same cable and controller was hurting their benchmark tests, the assemblers decided to invest in a second cable and simply attach it to the second controller without taking the time to change the jumper to master (time is money and pc assembly is not renown for its profitability. I've guess knowledge is power here too, and as an acquaintance of mine likes to say, you get what you pay for. Instead of changing the driver probes to resemble the commercial sloppiness of Billy's boys and their newly adopted friends at Uncle Torvald's, I would encourage users to get a screw driver and try to discover a little more about "openess" in pc systems. It's not just the open source that can lead us to enlightenment, an open pc housing can teach a lot too, if connected with a certain scientific probing of possibilities and a little backround research on pc hardware. It's in rich supply on the net. It's not just rtfm, it learn to use a good search engine as well. Sorry I kept you all so long. I'd help in -questions, but 100+ mails a day are enough... -- Yours truly, Shaun D. Jurrens Oslo (aah, that's in Norway...) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message