From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 16 00:43:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD0716A416; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:43:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@sage.thought.org) Received: from sage.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF6743D66; Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:43:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kline@sage.thought.org) Received: from sage.thought.org (kline@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sage.thought.org (8.13.6/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k8G0hjeT015616; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:43:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@sage.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by sage.thought.org (8.13.6/8.13.1/Submit) id k8G0hj4F015615; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:43:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:43:45 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: <20060916004345.GA15415@thought.org> References: <20060909182831.GA32004@FS.denninger.net> <200609100159.k8A1xAIn089481@drugs.dv.isc.org> <450AA29D.9000700@cs.tu-berlin.de> <200609151616.k8FGG23C065997@fire.jhs.private> <20060915175346.GF15445@leia.lambermont.dyndns.org> <20060915153624.X1031@ganymede.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060915153624.X1031@ganymede.hub.org> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing twenty years of service to the Unix community User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ARRRRGH! Guys, who's breaking -STABLE's GMIRROR code?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:43:52 -0000 On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 03:41:04PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, Hans Lambermont wrote: > > >Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > >>Stable is a misnomer that harms FreeBSD somewhat. > > > >I agree. > > > >>A promoter of FreeBSD I know has long encouraged people to upgrade > >>from release to stable. Some don't & won't realise Stable is Not > >>necessarily Stable, & may get burnt. Much of the world speaks English > >>only as a 2nd language. They won't benefit from the double trouble of > >>foreign + weird BSD geek speak: "Stable isn't Stable ? Yes or No !" > >>"It's stable, but it's OK to crash ? - I'll go Linux !" > >> > >>Imagine a boat labelled Stable: It sinks. The designers claim: "Tough! > >>We left the Application Interface (routes to bars & toilets) stable, > >>but changed other stuff. Hey ! Stable never meant Stable ! > >> You've got a good point. Wouldn't be be best to merge the mythical last-bug from x-BETA+ into x and have release-x be the (abs) most stable *for that release*? I have generally run -STABLE ((now/then -RELEASE)); it is to the developers' credit [[all get 5 stars from here!]] that -STABLE has run so flawlessly until now. ---Yeah, I am speaking only for myself; what else :-). > > Or rename it what it is: > > 6.x-BETA > > Where x == the next -RELEASE ... > > But, I'm just curious here ... for all of the talk going around about this > whole issue, how many ppl have truly ever been bitten by an unstable > -STABLE? And for those that have, how long did it take to get help from a > developer to get it fixed? Indeed. This snafu didn't bite me because I was at 5.4... and right, hat's off and cheers for Pawel Dawidek. Everyone shouldbe as consciencious --it'd be a vastly better world (.) gary > > In the case that started this thread, it seems to be that the developer > fixed his mistake fairly quickly, which is what one would expect ... it > shouldn't be so much that he *broke* -STABLE (shit happens, do you want > your money back?), but it should be 'was he around to reverse his mistake > in a reasonable amount of time?' ... ? > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix