From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 27 23:38:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B4737B417 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:38:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a109.otenet.gr [212.205.215.109]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1S7btN2013044; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:37:56 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1S45RA48344; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 06:05:27 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 06:05:27 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Gerardo Paredes Cc: djohnson@acuson.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20020228040527.GB47751@hades.hell.gr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-02-27 20:16, Gerardo Paredes wrote: > by the way RTFM in BSD stands for Read The Fine Manual, but RTFH would be > better (Read The hyperFine Handbook). > > Mr Arrogant, you are right, newbies got to learn the Fine Handbook before > they ask lame questions. I can't agree more... I had a similar conversation with a Canadian friend, last night. He was asking simple questions, in IRC. Questions that ranged from "where are the settings for my hostname" to "I managed to mess my rc.conf, now what?". After about 10-15 minutes of being asked things that were clearly frequently asked newbie questions, and trying my best to answer, and still chat with those I was on IRC for, I used the following: /msg OK, about 100% of what you asked are things that the documentation already describes. Don't msg me again, until you can provide sufficient proof that you have actually read (at least) the Handbook and the FAQ. The reply to the next msg which was a question too, was a bit worse: /msg Ignore set. Yes, I know that being a newbie on an operating system like FreeBSD, can be intimidating, annoying, hard to cope with. But I can't really tolerate the flood of questions in real time that IRC users are usually keen to ask, especially if these same questions are answered in dozens of places on FreeBSD.org and other sites and I have already provided the relevant pointers to the documentation. Call me arrogant if you wish, but when I'm on IRC, more often than not, I'm there to chat with friends. Spending 200% of my IRC time to answer things that are already answered in dozens of places, seems like a total waste of my time. And it's not like I have nine more lives to live :-P Giorgos Keramidas FreeBSD Documentation Project keramida@{freebsd.org,ceid.upatras.gr} http://www.FreeBSD.org/docproj/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message