Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:49:52 +0200 From: Julien Laffaye <jlaffaye@freebsd.org> To: Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org> Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Eitan Adler <lists@eitanadler.com>, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org>, current@freebsd.org, Steve Wills <swills@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap Message-ID: <50389FC0.50102@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <5037F8BB.9020501@FreeBSD.org> References: <97612B57-1255-4BB3-A6D3-FC74324C6D67@FreeBSD.org> <CAF6rxg=TMbmwbhhmiGi_MfqjjE144pQAMNoR3ajTzR3n4Z5XLQ@mail.gmail.com> <785B5BAD-E015-4624-B3A1-D05E1BD97E51@freebsd.org> <CAF6rxgm3gYQOxd8q1Ys0nJjFxROErLEXfiy2AM4Mbx5jBHWBmA@mail.gmail.com> <5AC662AA-4874-4BC2-9862-65518B79B840@freebsd.org> <CAF6rxgmXHd3iAFU5P31-CgKt6Sz=Ou%2BtchQy=h5YshRD_j1fUw@mail.gmail.com> <5036EE2E.4040606@FreeBSD.org> <CAF6rxgnETUEy8ObG7dcS8O97bVJv=ZEXvTR%2ByFwXh57z7iA_Dg@mail.gmail.com> <5037F8BB.9020501@FreeBSD.org>
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On 8/24/2012 11:57 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > On 8/23/2012 8:03 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: >> On 23 August 2012 22:59, Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org> wrote: >>> I tend to agree with Steve here ... we can't be responsible for other >>> people's poorly written docs. >> This isn't about poorly written docs. This is the user expecting a >> tool to exist, which doesn't. Take another example of a sysadmin which >> rarely installs new systems, installs FreeBSD for the third time, and >> then gets confused when "pkg install vim" fails. > Aren't we going to install the pkg package on new systems when they are > installed? Isn't that (shouldn't that be?) part of the project plan? It > would be insane for us not to do that, at least for the releases where > pkg is the default. True. But when you create jails without the installer, you have to install pkgng by hand. Hence the /usr/sbin/pkg bootstrap. > >>> You bring up a valid point that we should >>> keep in mind for our own however. The bootstrapping issue will be the >>> smallest possible annoyance on a long road of the migration process. >> The bootstrapping issue is a factor even after the migration :) > I think that the point I'm trying to make is that it shouldn't be. > >> note that I'm not talking about the mechanism here, I'm trying to >> avoid "pkg doesn't seem to be installed on my fresh system" becoming a >> FAQ. > The way that we avoid that problem is not to create it for ourselves in > the first place. :) > > The role of pkg-bootstrap is for those users who have already-installed > systems that need to do the conversion, or if somehow pkg becomes > corrupted on the user's system and needs to be reinstalled. That's it. > > I like that you're thinking through the related issues, but in this > particular case I think you're overthinking it. > > Doug >
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