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In message <xzphdxc29a5.fsf@dwp.des.no>, Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=
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>Repeat after me: "layering violations"

They may be layering violations in theory, but in practice it is exactly
the stuff which makes the system usable for a lot of our users.

And while I think that cleaning up our network stack is a valid
journey, I don't think netgraph is the vehicle.

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