From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 27 17:01:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A1516A41C for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:01:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4D443D55 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:01:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i1so398836wra for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:01:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ib/LlOoR3o+42LozwlsBTzgcfPw7CWNrTD3lythWYMDHcLmviToNGGO7Vbs2NNNzxckvybKTCr/LljpJGocsNYmmRpdZjgWGaatz8I3ttUwsFvbk0SIOP2dPWg9qdJGOmAWHTJy+AEX3hUBWU2z+4gf4gbbbVYXOP3lxi35XSl4= Received: by 10.54.43.62 with SMTP id q62mr3445497wrq; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.124.2 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:01:36 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton To: "el-sino@hushmail.com" , FreeBSD Mailing List In-Reply-To: <200506270945.j5R9jkoR032624@mailserver3.hushmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200506270945.j5R9jkoR032624@mailserver3.hushmail.com> Cc: Subject: Re: freebsd as the basis for something better? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Nikolas Britton List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:01:39 -0000 On 6/27/05, el-sino@hushmail.com wrote: >=20 > Hello Nikolas! >=20 > >Hey don't bash plan9, they have some cool ideas and unix would not > >exist if it wasn't for bell labs (AT&T back then) but mainly I > >just like glenda (the one in the space suit), can we change the > beastie > >to glenda? http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/glenda.html >=20 > Plan9 deserves my apologies because of Glenda. Damn cute :) >=20 > >UNIX is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends > >are. New gui tools are needed. lets bring the CLI tools to the > GUI, > >like pipes, redirects, etc. some of apples ideas are nice aka > NeXTSTEP. > >Why are we trying to emulate windows when mircosoft just steals > it's > >idea's from apple? lets cut the middle man out. BeOS was cool too. >=20 > Well said. >=20 > Don't tell anybody about this: www.senseos.org/sos.pdf > But that's what I intend to do so far (+ www.quelsolaar.com). >=20 > >I'm not a programmer so I'm not sure how I could help you. >=20 > A solid supply of ideas would be nice! >=20 To bring UNIX to the masses one of the first things we need to do is make installing and running apps easy. Right now we are in what once was called "DLL Hell" in windows 3.x, is this the best we can do? Hard drive space is a non issue today so what is wrong with making fat binaries that that have all the dependencies compiled into one file. Another apple idea is making the binaries platform independent so it will run on an i386, ppc, sparc, etc. This is the biggest problem I have with UNIX. Step 1: Download the app from developer foo's website. Step 2: Double click on the app. Step 3: The app launches and the dam thing just works. What is so hard about this guys? Anyways... here's a cool video from back in the day, 1991 (DOS 5.0 and windows 3.0 in microsoft's timeline), with steve jobs demoing NeXTSTEP. Microsoft's windows still can't do some of the stuff they where doing back in 91. It a quicktime video btw: http://www.openstep.se/jobs/