From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Dec 21 7:55:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC87037B405; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20011221155522.FFRV6450.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:55:22 +0000 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fBLFtMi50482; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:55:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200112211555.fBLFtMi50482@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Nils Holland Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , Nuno Teixeira , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5-PRERELEASE announcement ? In-reply-to: <20011221112745.A2275@tisys.org> References: <20011220231545.GF29443@gw.tex.bogus> <200112202328.fBKNSmp01975@bmah.dyndns.org> <20011221112745.A2275@tisys.org> Comments: In-reply-to Nils Holland message dated "Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:27:45 +0100." From: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:55:21 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If memory serves me right, Nils Holland wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2001 at 03:28:47PM -0800, Bruce A. Mah stood up and spoke: > > > > We're in codefreeze on the RELENG_4 branch, and if you build a kernel > > from up-to-date sources, it'll say "4.5-PRERELEASE" and not > > "4.4-STABLE". From now until 4.5-RELEASE, any commits to RELENG_4 get > > reviewed by the release engineers first (with a few exceptions). > > > > murray announced this on one of the committers lists but I haven't seen > > it anywhere else. > > I didn't see it anywhere else either, which is actually kind of sad. I > guess not only the commiters on the commiters list would like to be updated > about things like this. So, I guess, for "normal people" to be able to keep > up with the events leading towards the release, wouldn't it be a good idea > to mail a copy of such announcements to a more "general" place? -announce > comes to my mind first, but if that one is only for announcing the actual > release, probably -stable should do it, Speaking as someone who works with the re team (but isn't a part of it), I wouldn't interpret this omission as any change in policy. I'm sure that murray didn't mean to keep non-committers "out of the loop" on the state of 4.5-RELEASE...I bet he probably just forgot. For more information on "the events leading towards the release", see this timeline: http://www.freebsd.org/internal/releng45.html As you can see, the projected release date is a *month* away. There's plenty of time for more announcements between now and then, such as the release candidates that will come out in January 2002. > as it is highly likely that those > who would like to know when the code is freezed so that they can CVSup and > test it, are most likely subscribed to -stable. You realize, right, that you can *always* cvsup -STABLE and test it, regardless of whether the branch is frozen or not, right? :-) Cheers, Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message