From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 1 16:40:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D21106566B; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:40:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asmrookie@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B7A8FC12; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by laai10 with SMTP id i10so5797543laa.13 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:40:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=tYRg3Cq0Y8NZLSuwk5ohIqqqTovz08AkeFSye68OsPM=; b=gaXCJqKSpGZRnoQa6fajoxh44Fuh2Yl2MMIXNO7B2RlmMOmI5jMQZ1bjE/vErB7nuq aVyRuiEvUgu4krUVQSiatZ27LzCn/tCCpWPMS/14ezVbkEIW/AxMqE2ytqkKSfjEWo+h EhohKQaF1cUOId8d6ucv826Umlf1sWBcbFRNDbEVtqujDno69yu9dacTFIA2L241j62w QxTWyX1RE1PCiX+4NLTg3PHpvDdi48uaVFwdXuDhcgNcSS3O+Y0lYp5swfvUmyAhY4RM LMBB+KjP/x9Uy0XDnsrGI1+DsyY7gqs01wRyYlt3W2Lmj2WP6sHLhpCW9BUweKwMShxe ekpA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.131.9 with SMTP id oi9mr18488685lab.39.1343839215238; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Sender: asmrookie@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.27.65 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:40:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:40:15 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: wO7F85j8seZVw0Su8m2kihdTn9U Message-ID: From: Attilio Rao To: Arnaud Lacombe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: attilio@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:40:17 -0000 On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Attilio Rao wrote: >> >> You don't want to work cooperatively. >> > Why is it that mbuf's refactoring consultation is being held in > internal, private, committers-and-invite-only-restricted meeting at > BSDCan ? > > Why is it that so much review and discussion on changes are held privately ? Arnaud, belive me, to date I don't recall a single major technical decision that has been settled exclusively in private (not subjected to peer review) and in particular in person (e-mail help you focus on a lot of different details that you may not have under control when talking to people, etc). Sometimes it is useful that a limited number of developers is involved in initial brainstorming of some works, but after this period constructive people usually ask for peer review publishing their plans on the mailing lists or other media. If you don't see any public further discussion this may be meaning: a) the BSDCan meetings have been fruitless and there is no precise plan/roadmap/etc. b) there is still not consensus on details and you can always publically asked on what was decided and what not. Just send a mail to interested recipients and CC any FreeBSD mailing list. Attilio -- Peace can only be achieved by understanding - A. Einstein