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Date:      Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:00:13 -0800
From:      Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
To:        "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@hub.org>
Cc:        FreeBSD Chat <freebsd-chat@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD: Server or Desktop OS?
Message-ID:  <3DD849AD.3DA0DB45@mindspring.com>
References:  <20021117200904.R23359-100000@hub.org>

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"Marc G. Fournier" wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> > Marc writes:
> > > ... I'd put all my servers back to -STABLE in a
> > > minute if I thought someone cared when it crashed ...
> >
> > Almost nobody enjoys debugging, and when people are not being paid to do
> > it, it's almost impossible to motivate anyone to undertake it.
> 
> Then, those ppl shouldn't be MFC'ng code down into stable if they aren't
> willing to be responsible for problems that such causes ...

The definition of of "-STABLE" is "-RELEASE, plus bug fixes".

The real issue is that most bugfix work is done against -STABLE
in the first place, because that's what people are deploying; I
don't know one commercial company who has -current deployed in
production.

The only reason MFC'ing happens at all is that TPTB refuse to
accept patches against -STABLE, and require them to be patches
against -CURRENT, instead, and the only way to get something
into -STABLE is to port your patch to -CURRENT, and then "MFC"
it into -STABLE.

If it weren't for this requirement, pretty much no one would
work on -CURRENT at all.

It's a reasonable "self dense" mechanism for the project to have
this requirement, even if it's often a pain in the butt, especially
when the "port + MFC" doesn't end up with the same -STABLE patch
that you started out with.

-- Terry

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