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Date:      Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:25:50 -0800
From:      John Milford <jwm@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
To:        Joe Greco <jgreco@ns.sol.net>
Cc:        brooks@one-eyed-alien.net (Brooks Davis), peter@netplex.com.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Filesystem size limit?
Message-ID:  <200002160425.UAA02729@soda.csua.Berkeley.edu>
In-Reply-To: Message from Joe Greco <jgreco@ns.sol.net> of "Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:28:40 CST." <200002160328.VAA02580@aurora.sol.net>

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Joe Greco <jgreco@ns.sol.net>  wrote:

> >
> > Joe seem to want one.  This size is certaintly within the reach of an
> > ISP now, and disks just keep getting bigger.  My administrative bias is
> > that partitioning for a reason other then policy should be avoided and
> > thus I'd love to see filesystem size support keep ahead of volume sizes
> > where possiable.  That said, unless someone gives me a very substantial
> > amount of money to build a cluster at work, I'm not going to be building
> > any TB file systems for a few more years.
>
> Well, I just wanted the thrill of it.
>
> I should be building additional machines throughout the year.  If anyone is
> seriously interested in work on terabyte filesystem issues, I may be able
> to shanghai one for a month or two and provide access to it.  I may even be
> able to push it over the 2TB mark (barely).  I do not have the
> qualifications or need to be doing this myself, though, alas.
>
> 72GB disks will be available later this year.  Expect 2.6TB servers.  :-)
>

	I will assert that it is insanity to build and use a 1TB UFS
for small files (~ 2.5e8 inodes or 32GB) at least with the current
technology.  Maybe I am wrong, if anyone thinks so feel free to tell
me.  Having said this I think that Matt's idea of increasing the
effective sector size may be way to go.  Does this sound resonable to
everyone?  I have my doubts about whether I could get something like
this done in finite time given my current schedule, but I wil begin
looking at it.

Matt,

	Correct me if I am wrong, but the sector size is what has to
change, and not just the block size.  This being true it would seem
that if we wanted 2048TB in a FS, we the minimum fragment size would
be 1MB (the virtual sector size) as there would be no way of
addressing anything smaller.

	As a side note, would this cause big problems for the
VM system as suddenly it has to page to/from files in chunks of
256 pages?  Or is this fairly well isolated in the code?

		--John


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