From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 19 22:54:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D998106566B; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:54:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CFD8FC08; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbfl17 with SMTP id fl17so571061vcb.13 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:54:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=8GHj01RCf/S1IXArYnGCjYXkRBjVJ/4CThK2zN8vnWo=; b=T6xrjyvGMdj1AlBqW8JWVEbibKACO/QBDLKqiTnxnSi1Ao9hOM3OgxX60rA9jxTEoN b/YfEYIaLwjHuMYfTT+t3+7WPiczrxFJF72Ff2oONmvijkGiqBS2VLd9+BCtl/EKwJjs J7MzhRIs3Hlce+RDNFvneU9C4FueNnJQpa3vM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.156.134 with SMTP id x6mr16412810vcw.17.1327013695838; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:54:55 -0800 (PST) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.36.5 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:54:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1326756727.23485.10.camel@Arawn> <4F14BAA7.9070707@freebsd.org> <4F16A5B8.2080903@FreeBSD.org> <4F1707E6.4020905@FreeBSD.org> <4F172B1E.30401@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:54:55 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: VOXL2ZUx5GQLfikQmT9CzeTPUOY Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: John Kozubik Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Doug Barton Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:54:57 -0000 .. and people _do_ realise that this is all mostly driven by volunteers, right? The companies/individuals that _could_ run this kind of thing do it internally. So you're left with volunteers doing the public releases instead of the vendors who are asking for it. Honestly, I think the re@ and ports building teams would _love_ some help. If you'd like to see this happen, step up and offer your assistance. That's the most likely way to achieve your goal. Adrian